Discussion: PvP Deaths (Item/Coin/XP Loot/Gain)

[Amuk]

I don't like YT either, people dodging somewhat slight disadvantage fights over fear of having their name broadcasted, esp followed up by global OOC shit talk. Casual or new to pvp players are going to get shit on hard, and to have it broadcasted then spammed about how shitty they are in OOC is just another griefing tool.

My first vz/tz box was late 3.0, most kids had their epics and minimum planes gear. I was a half naked 50 MR rogue with 10 dmg daggers and kids like doofus and some Ranger I forget his name would follow me around for hours, and mass shit talk in OOC. I don't find myself to be a griefable player, and quickly they became insignificant - but it really just motivates douchbags to grief lower level/undergeared people where on live you might just cut the guy a break if there isn't a raid mob/zone/camp you want heh. I'd rather this not be a grief fest server, if it is that's fine - it'll just be lower population than it could be. There's 700 people on p99 and only two guilds get the raid mobs, that's a shit load of casuals, maybe this could be similar.

Don't make an incentive or tool for rehabs to grief new/weaker players and brag about it IMO.

[Macken]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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The overall increase in PvP comes from no YT.

If a pvp falls in the yt, and no one is around to hear it. Did it really fall?





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[Zigfreed]

Coin loot only and xp loss on pvp death but only once per 15 or so minutes per person killing you (ie you can only xp kill individuals once per 15 mins or so)

[Macken]

Originally Posted by Amuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

II was a half naked 50 MR rogue with 10 dmg daggers and kids like doofus and some Ranger I forget his name would follow me around for hours.

Sounds like you said something to someone you shouldn't have.



When playing basketball i feel it is best to lower the goal to 4 ft. Because if you don't, some people will not play.

It is not fun at the top unless you can look down on others.

If there is no point or reward for pvp, then there will not be any pvp.

I for one, see no reason to pvp for pvp's sake. There must be a point behind it.

No recognizable reward for pvp is like playing on a blue server for no recognizable reward.

A leaderboard is a must to encourage pvp. Given the choice of one or the other. A board is preferable to yt. Look how much fun i've had this summer because of leaderboards.

If you don't have a leaderboard, then i will be eternally on top. And no one here wants that. Give them a chance.

[juicedsixfo]

Exp loss on pvp death is pretty dumb. It's only going to encourage gating, camping, and running from fights that people would normally say fuck it and engage, even if outnumbered. I don't mind willingly going into a 1 vs 2 situation for the hell of it, but not if I'm going to be losing classic exp.

I hope it was only a discussion point. Way to many variables. Just leave it alone.

[vinx]

Originally Posted by Zigfreed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Coin loot only and xp loss on pvp death but only once per 15 or so minutes per person killing you (ie you can only xp kill individuals once per 15 mins or so)

Thats probably the best proposal ive seen so far..
not that im scared to lose pixels.. or to bag/plug/suicide either lol

Abacab was right in one of his previous posts that by velious item loot is minimal because, by then most have done all the quests for no drop gear from classic to velious.

but that proposal is probably the best set up for the server imo
with the kill timer

people will always run/gate/camp from fights.. and like you stated juice, xp loss swings both ways even for someone thinking about engaging = more decision making = better for blue interns

leaderboard+
Yt- (altho i personally love watchin the text)

[juicedsixfo]

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there is no point or reward for pvp, then there will not be any pvp.

I for one, see no reason to pvp for pvp's sake. There must be a point behind it.

No recognizable reward for pvp is like playing on a blue server for no recognizable reward.

A leaderboard is a must to encourage pvp. Given the choice of one or the other. A board is preferable to yt. Look how much fun i've had this summer because of leaderboards.

Look at how wrong you are. Holy hell this is like everything that is wrong with these boxes.

[Amuk]

There's a 700 pop server with guilds that spend 24 hours with a raid force sitting in a zone to get pixels, there will be some pvp without YT/global ooc =)

<3 to macken and the other hardcores tho, I don't think they're wrong - just this server should be bigger.

[Envious]

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a pvp falls in the yt, and no one is around to hear it. Did it really fall?





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Nice retort. Give me some real arguments.

And R99 should be where people PvP for PvP's sake. As you said you do NOT do~

[Xantille]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TZ eventually went coin only, sometime mid classic I think?

No Pudge, I'm not afraid of anything relating to forums. O_o

Funny tho, I remember helping you gear / level up at least once.

Something you seem to simple to understand is this:
1 group porting around so that people can see their YT < Less people plugging (Hello Xantille), people porting away from pvp b/c of shame, people logging to alts to avoid high pop play times, people going to perma to avoid Lguk / Sol B PvP.

The overall increase in PvP comes from no YT.

PLUS you stupid fuk'ing person, if there is no YT, you have to KILL everyone for them to see you. SO, it requires more PVP TO GET YOUR NAME OUT. HUR HUR

Pudge, your quickly falling to Macken / Wehrmacht level of stupidity.

You mad, bro? Generally, the point is to kill the person BEFORE they make it to the zoneline.

As a fellow TZ player, it is lulsy how much you try to talk shit about my e-prowess. Why not reveal who you were on VZTZ and TZ, pal?

So far, all I've gotten is you were in 'notable, dark non-xteam guilds' on TZ. What this tells me is: despite all "VZTZ pros being scrubs" as you claim, you were likely the scrubbiest fuck on live.

As for the since derailed discussion in this thread, I rly could care less if YT is in game or not. It's nice to know where PvP is going on, but not required. Zone control + coin is enough.