A history of (the lack of) VP

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Lamprey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not the playerbase of this game. You're about 5% of the playerbase in this game. If you're not happy and leave, the game won't die - matter of fact, the remaining 95% will probably be much happier with you gone. In no way do you represent the people who play EQ - what you do represent is what can go wrong if someone plays EQ too much. So don't pretend you speak for everybody.

True on live servers in 2002-present.

Notice the population online right now?

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I'd wager around 20-40% of those folks are raiders or twinks.

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Lamprey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not the playerbase of this game. You're about 5% of the playerbase in this game. If you're not happy and leave, the game won't die - matter of fact, the remaining 95% will probably be much happier with you gone. In no way do you represent the people who play EQ - what you do represent is what can go wrong if someone plays EQ too much. So don't pretend you speak for everybody.

This is a gross underrepresentation. I can't think of a single night i've logged on and the TR+TMO hasn't been, at the very least, 10% of the server, and i've seen it as high as around 30%. Add in the other more casual raiding guilds and the number goes even higher.

[feste]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a gross underrepresentation. I can't think of a single night i've logged on and the TR+TMO hasn't been, at the very least, 10% of the server, and i've seen it as high as around 30%. Add in the other more casual raiding guilds and the number goes even higher.

I think that a player base and who is logged on at one time are 2 different things. The die hards will be there every night but if everyone who plays casually logged in all at once I think 5% is pretty close.

[Mcbard]

Regardless of who the playerbase is, who it isn't, when they count, and when they don't, the only thing that matters in my mind as far as the release of VP goes is set out in what the servers mission is to create an as accurate as possible classic EverQuest timeline. Given that criteria withholding a zone thats finished and past over due based on behavior seems... weird.

That said, I think the devs should take the following approach when it comes to content release: fuck what the players think. Develop the server according to its stated goals, the classic EverQuest timeline, and let them sort out whos more important since that's all they seem to care about.

That's just my opinion though, and I am not a developer of this project, so I'll just wait to see what happens like everyone else.

[Cyrano]

What does it matter who the player base is? This argument is completely irrelevant to the original question posed by Shiftin.

You guys are making this about playtime discrepancies, attitudes issues, guild representation, etc. This thread has nothing to do with any of this. The members of TR and TMO were told that our actions are the reason VP is being withheld, we offered a solution which was shot down with no feedback. We're simply asking for direction in the matter.

You guys on the outside have no idea what it's really like between these two guilds. All you see is a gross misrepresentation of our playerbases from people, who many times aren't even TR/TMO members, talking shit on the public forums. To many players, and ex/non-players alike, these forums are simply a way to kill time and are in no way indicative of who that person is in game or in real life. So please, stop acting like our actions in game affect you in any way, shape, or form because they don't. Most of you have zero interaction with any of us, TR or TMO, in game. You have no voice in the discussion of this thread because you simply aren't part of this crowd so stop making it about taking out your petty issues with people you know nothing about, and go back to RnF where you can flame away with reckless abandon.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What does it matter who the player base is? This argument is completely irrelevant to the original question posed by Shiftin.

You guys are making this about playtime discrepancies, attitudes issues, guild representation, etc. This thread has nothing to do with any of this. The members of TR and TMO were told that our actions are the reason VP is being withheld, we offered a solution which was shot down with no feedback. We're simply asking for direction in the matter.

You guys on the outside have no idea what it's really like between these two guilds. All you see is a gross misrepresentation of our playerbases from people, who many times aren't even TR/TMO members, talking shit on the public forums. To many players, and ex/non-players alike, these forums are simply a way to kill time and are in no way indicative of who that person is in game or in real life. So please, stop acting like our actions in game affect you in any way, shape, or form because they don't. Most of you have zero interaction with any of us, TR or TMO, in game. You have no voice in the discussion of this thread because you simply aren't part of this crowd so stop making it about taking out your petty issues with people you know nothing about, and go back to RnF where you can flame away with reckless abandon.

^this is pretty spot on.

However, I think us getting ignored was a clear message from them. They don't care to respond, we shouldn't care to ask. It will get here sooner or later or never and people will quit.

I still don't see why we have to agree to terms Rogean deems worthy for us as long as the acting guilds participating in VP agree to them then that should be enough. Would they shutdown VP because we chose to do the zone different because it works for us? or raid ban TR or TMO because they choose not to fight over a pixelgon in VP and instead decided to share a zone?

Just wait till VP gets here, then we can work it with all involved parties interests at mind with agreed upon rules.

[feste]

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What does it matter who the player base is? This argument is completely irrelevant to the original question posed by Shiftin.

Fair enough I was definitely off on a tangent. On the whole main point for what its worth (nothing really) I think punishing keyed guilds like that is dumb. If its done open it.

[mostbitter]

the whole classic timeline arguement is silly. unless this server intends to continually release content it's going to end up at a stopping point someday anyway. You guys think you're the only people here and so your concerns are the content that you are interested in and nothing else. The staff have a MASSIVE project to handle here and have deemed the people pushing for VP as undeserving of their time due to behavior. Try as you might to spin the situation that's the jist of it.

There are how many active staff members working on this project right now? A small handful of people to answer petitions from over a thousand players, to work on bugs throughout the whole game, and to work on another entirely different server.

Knowing this all of you people still feel entitled to being first priority because you want this right now!! It's just selfish. To think that you have worked out some sort of frivolous agreement that you probably wouldn't stick to is enough growing up, is laughable. Continually posting about the same thing over and over and over just shows how childish the people interested in it are.

What benefit is there to giving in to the demands of these people? Are we going to see a permanent boost to server population? Are you guys going to be forever satisfied now that VP is released? Will free candy and snacks be avialable concessions provided to all the casual players by all the hardcore raiders?

I doubt it. My expectation is that the raiders will be satisfied for a month or two and then we will have the same spew coming from these people about opening Velious. I'd imagine there will also be quite an ordeal in regards to contesting this content despite any deal you are pretending to have worked out.



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[Gwence]

^ What zone is she in?

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Gwence [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ What zone is she in?

The Plane of Tears.