Ragefire Agreement/Rotation

[Senaiel]

I respect Divinity/Taken/BDA as much as anyone on this server and I am certainly a huge fan of Ninik. That being said, if you can't see why these 5 clerics are being awarded first, you are blind. IB/TMO/VD has had clerics endlessly clicking away in shifts over anywhere from 1 hour to 24+ hours at a time. No one else has put in that type of effort and as far as I am concerned effort reaps reward.

As far as Skope goes, I am not trying to be a total asshole here but last time IB/TMO had to go to VP and let everyone else have EVERY other mob on the server. VD got Trak/VS/Gore/Talendor/CT/Naggyx2/Vox/Sev/Dracho. While BDA/Taken/Divinity got a Dracho/Inny/Fay combined. You can remove variance all you want but even when there wasn't a variance look at the results. You ask for a level playing field but when you got one on a FULL REPOP and an actual Dracho/Naggy spawn before the repop look at the results. If you do not think that the IB/TMO/VDs results are indicative of what would happen with ragefire that is laughable. The guilds that are prepared and built to raid will still win in the long run because even with static spawns eventually mobs will become somewhat staggered due to some guilds taking longer htan others to kill certain mobs.

Lastly, I am more than willing to help any cleric in any guild when the rotation provides their turn.

[SavageHenry]

Originally Posted by Senaiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as Skope goes, I am not trying to be a total asshole here but last time IB/TMO had to go to VP and let everyone else have EVERY other mob on the server. VD got Trak/VS/Gore/Talendor/CT/Naggyx2/Vox/Sev/Dracho. While BDA/Taken/Divinity got a Dracho/Inny/Fay combined. You can remove variance all you want but even when there wasn't a variance look at the results. You ask for a level playing field but when you got one on a FULL REPOP and an actual Dracho/Naggy spawn before the repop look at the results.

You're not being an asshole, but the fact is that Fay was the only mob we could get at a reasonable time (before 1AM EST) and none of those targets except for maybe Trak/Gore would be impossible for Taken/Div/BDA to take out. The current "full repops" are staggered, so it doesn't help at all when most of the targets start spawning between 3-6 AM when no one but a hardcore guild will get any of them before they're all dead. And the bosses would never be staggered to that extent if full repops were happening during normal raid hours. But that's off-topic anyway.

So far, I know of a dozen clerics in Taken/Div that need Ragefire and haven't been participating in the sockfest going on now. I can't speak for other guilds' clerics but that's a dozen clerics IB/VD/TMO didn't have to compete with. I support the rotation going on right now, but to expect the casual clerics to stay out of it after the next patch is unreasonable IMO.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by SavageHenry [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not being an asshole, but the fact is that Fay was the only mob we could get at a reasonable time (before 1AM EST) and none of those targets except for maybe Trak/Gore would be impossible for Taken/Div/BDA to take out. The current "full repops" are staggered, so it doesn't help at all when most of the targets start spawning between 3-6 AM when no one but a hardcore guild will get any of them before they're all dead. And the bosses would never be staggered to that extent if full repops were happening during normal raid hours. But that's off-topic anyway.

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This is all true. When the server finally repopped it was about a day after VP was released, and at some ridiculous time like 3 in the morning (EST). I was there and I remember being told we were going after Sev with Taken. We had a good attempt on him where we got him to 6% with 25 people, but given how early in the morning it was, and how awful the lag was (it was taking people 10 minutes just to loot their corpses), most people just said "fuck it" and went to bed. At that point the vast majority of raid mobs were still up, so it's not like we weren't quick enough, it's just that other factors like lag and sleep prevailed over our desire to get pixels. Senaiel, if you're trying to prove that casual guilds are actually unskilled and poorly coordinated, that's not a very good example to use, considering we've done very well on past server repops (not that this is a pissing contest, but on post-kunark repops we've gotten (separately) VS, naggy/vox, inny/fay/noble, naggy/inny/draco, just from what I remember).

edit: and I also agree that staggered repops are dumb, and completely defeat the purpose of server repops, in addition to not being classic.

[Werlop]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is all true. When the server finally repopped it was about a day after VP was released, and at some ridiculous time like 3 in the morning (EST). I was there and I remember being told we were going after Sev with Taken. We had a good attempt on him where we got him to 6% with 25 people, but given how early in the morning it was, and how awful the lag was (it was taking people 10 minutes just to loot their corpses), most people just said "fuck it" and went to bed. At that point the vast majority of raid mobs were still up, so it's not like we weren't quick enough, it's just that other factors like lag and sleep prevailed over our desire to get pixels. Senaiel, if you're trying to prove that casual guilds are actually unskilled and poorly coordinated, that's not a very good example to use, considering we've done very well on past server repops (not that this is a pissing contest, but on post-kunark repops we've gotten (separately) VS, naggy/vox, inny/fay/noble, naggy/inny/draco, just from what I remember).

edit: and I also agree that staggered repops are dumb, and completely defeat the purpose of server repops, in addition to not being classic.

You do realize that Ragefire is probably not going to spawn during the 4 hours of primetime, yes? If your guild wants to get in on a rotation, your guild must actually be capable AND willing to kill a mob at 5AM if it should happen to spawn at that time. If your guild said "fuck it" because the mobs spawned in a time that inconvenienced them, what will they say if Ragefire spawns during an inconvenient time? I am sure that Bregan and Taken could kill Cazic Thule if one of them were left alone for a couple of hours to clear all of Fear first, but it's very different when another guild is breathing down your neck and you have to rush an engage with 98% of the zone still up. Maybe that's inconvenient, but that's EQ raiding.
I mean no disrespect to casual guilds, but if a guild expects to enjoy the privilege of an uncontested spawn at any hour then it seems reasonable to ask that they be able to mobilize a raid force at any hour to claim that spawn.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Werlop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I mean no disrespect to casual guilds, but if a guild expects to enjoy the privilege of an uncontested spawn at any hour then it seems reasonable to ask that they be able to mobilize a raid force at any hour to claim that spawn.

Originally Posted by Werlop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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at any hour

Not in classic.

Regardless, if a Ragefire spawned at 5AM while it was Divinity's/Taken's/BDA's turn in the rotation, and they didn't have enough to engage in a reasonable time frame, then it would just go to whoever was next in line, no? (Or it could just become FTE; my point is that there are mechanisms to deal with those kinds of situations).

As for the situation me and the poster above mentioned, I think it was more the ridiculous lag than the fact that it was so early in the morning that made us call it quits. Or it was a combination of the two. My point is that your post was kind of tangential.

[Motec]

Heebee got and epic and now shits on threads. Stupid convict

[Heebee]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Heebee got and epic and now shits on threads. Stupid convict

Up yours wanker!

[Motec]

speaking about my post count?...thanks!

[Heebee]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

speaking about my post count?...thanks!

I am greatly impressed by your post count, especially since I was under the impression all of your posts were in RnF! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Doors]

Relapsee is hands down the best cleric on p99. Rezzes me for free, hooked me up with free newbie items, and from the groups I've been in with him he was fucking pro.

Everyone else is far behind this dude.