Forceful Entry wipes pathetically to CT on a Free anc Clear Engage with 45 people

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just pulled the we killed mob in an appropriate amount of time before tmo was even capable of it line. seems to have worked fine.

I dunno I think 5 tmo might be able to do him, but then again ive been gone a while

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dunno I think 5 tmo might be able to do him, but then again ive been gone a while

probably could depending on the mix of classes you are right. would have to see the logs to see who they had. maybe next time he pops they can try again and get the pull themselves.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

understood. so let's say you guys did peel him off the initial tag/kite whatever you want to call it. are you saying they would not have kited him around until more than 4 other people were in zone? supposedly he was engaged with 5 tmo in zone and died with still 5 tmo in zone. can't fathom a petition.

In this specific situation, I don't know. I was not present.

That said, here's some CONJECTURE: The situation/petition could have been resolved a number of ways. For example, if fay died and all 5 TMO in the zone were, say, level 55 rogues, AND the boat did not arrive in zone with reinforcements for at least 5 more minutes, a GM would be well within his rights to possibly say "tough luck TMO."

Of course, we need to remember that FE perhaps might have wiped. The kite, if it was a deliberate stalling tactic, might have enabled FE to kill it instead of wiping. This kite prevented the TMO reinforcements from exercising their rights to fight a mob that had wiped the previous raid.

On the flip side, if the 5 people were fully buffed and they consisted of two plate class tanks, two donals clerics, and a bard, those 5 might be capable of downing fay themselves. IB 8-manned Fay before VP was released. (I suspect it could be trio'd or quadded by an appropriately dedicated crew.) In this case, a petition would be wholly appropriate as that crew could down fay, or survive long enough for the cavalry to arrive.

It's easy to draw the extreme examples, but the general principles remain the same. If a GM determines, after a factual inquiry, that you have interfered with another raid's reasonable claim to a potential/vested interest in a raid target, you face possible consequences of a disciplinary nature.

[Rhambuk]

Wouldn't give em the chance =)

[Autotune]

Fay is naggy clone
ragefire is naggy clone

ragefire has been duo'd yeah?

5 people is overkill...

[dragonfists]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fay is naggy clone
ragefire is naggy clone

ragefire has been duo'd yeah?

5 people is overkill...

5 people is overkill so you're saying you can kill fay with 2 like ragefire? I'd like to see that

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by dragonfists [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

5 people is overkill so you're saying you can kill fay with 2 like ragefire? I'd like to see that

me too, get them to do it.

[Rhambuk]

FE gonna stand by and give tmo a mob?

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if i was going to kite/stall i would have kited to the opposite corner of the zone. he was still on a path up towards camp albeit slightly out of the way.

Slightly out of the way?

I would say that a change in 2k of distance for someone bard speed... lets err on the side of super speed and say 30 seconds plus or minus is "slightly" - this would also allow you to hit /loc or sense heading numerous times.

A change in location by 6000 (from 1k to -5k), would take you a minute and a half at that rate...
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are you saying that in that amount of time, you never once hit /loc or sense heading? and that is why you were only "slightly" out of the way? The average person would look at your logic and see how skewed it was, but I mean, thats only an average person. It takes a special kind of person to consider your distance out of path "slight"

[Tanthallas]

That is easily 30 seconds out of the way with bard speed.

Draw a similar map of TMO's Sev kite, and it will take you in circles around the zone multiple times...

Yet they get 'leniency' because their puller was 'new'. Those new pullers cant help running in circles, can they?