Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. You do not understand.

The debate is about Shaman DPS vs. Mage DPS. Both sides made a claim about DPS, and both sides provided evidence backing up the claim. After the data was reviewed, a new claim was made that my data is invalid.

That new claim needs evidence, or it remains an unfounded claim. You do not get to just keep claiming "your evidence is wrong" without proof. Otherwise it doesn't matter how much data the other side provides, you can just keep making that argument indefinitely.

If you say "your photo was photoshopped!", it is not up to the person who provided the photo to prove it is genuine. That is trying to prove a negative. It is up to the side making the claim that "the photo is photoshopped" to provide evidence showing this is the case.

Everyone: Sky is blue
DSM: Nope it's red
Everyone: Prove it
DSM: Here's a picture of a squirrel
Everyone: That isn't evidence for what we were discussing
DSM: Prove it

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone: Sky is blue
DSM: Nope it's red
Everyone: Prove it
DSM: Here's a picture of a squirrel
Everyone: That isn't evidence for what we were discussing
DSM: Prove it

I explained burden of proof correctly. I would urge you to read it again more carefully. You are asking me to prove a negative by asking me to provide evidence that my evidence is valid lol. You need to provide evidence as to why my evidence is invalid. So far you haven't shown why group DPS will differ significantly.

[Troxx]

A walk down memory lane ….

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone: Sky is blue
DSM: Nope it's red
Everyone: Prove it
DSM: Here's a picture of a squirrel
Everyone: That isn't evidence for what we were discussing
DSM: Prove it

Page 190. Good lord this is getting tedious. Nothing new in the last 90 pages other than a few zingers

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Is it deliberate?

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. You do not understand.

No. You seemingly continue to ignore irrefutable facts, and/or you seemingly misunderstand or (intentionally or otherwise) are misconstruing your true understanding.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The debate is about Shaman DPS vs. Mage DPS.

In a high level, fast-paced killing DPS group hehe. This really isn't hard. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both sides made a claim about DPS, and both sides provided evidence backing up the claim.

Your data is invalid because it is irrelevant, and this has already been stated to you multiple times by multiple people. Ignoring the facts will not make them go away hehe. I am also not sure why your posts would indicate that you think claiming that others have made claims (whether true or not) somehow changes the irrefutable fact that the only data you have provided is not relevant to the context of this discussion and to the challenge Troxx presented to you in it (as has been explained to you multiple times by multiple posters).

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After the data was reviewed, a new claim was made that my data is invalid.

Your data is invalid because it is irrelevant, and this has already been stated to you multiple times by multiple people. Ignoring the facts will not make them go away hehe. I am also not sure why your posts would indicate that you think claiming that others have made claims (whether true or not) somehow changes the irrefutable fact that the only data you have provided is not relevant to the context of this discussion and to the challenge Troxx presented to you in it (as has been explained to you multiple times by multiple posters).

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That new claim needs evidence, or it remains an unfounded claim.

No. You seemingly continue to ignore irrefutable facts, and/or you seemingly misunderstand or (intentionally or otherwise) are misconstruing your true understanding.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do not get to just keep claiming "your evidence is wrong" without proof. Otherwise it doesn't matter how much data the other side provides, you can just keep making that argument indefinitely.

No. You seemingly continue to ignore irrefutable facts, and/or you seemingly misunderstand or (intentionally or otherwise) are misconstruing your true understanding. You have simply provided irrelevant data as has been explained to you multiple times by multiple posters. No further evidence is required - the posts are self-evident hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you say "your photo was photoshopped!", it is not up to the person who provided the photo to prove it is genuine. That is trying to prove a negative. It is up to the side making the claim that "the photo is photoshopped" to provide evidence showing this is the case.

No. You seemingly continue to ignore irrefutable facts, and/or you seemingly misunderstand or (intentionally or otherwise) are misconstruing your true understanding. You have provided irrelevant data as has been explained to you multiple times by multiple posters.

The post history is clear and viewable by all hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[PlsNoBan]

I'm not a professional but I do a fair bit of programming. I can assure you variables matter and no matter how many times you go over something in your head sometimes things just don't play out the way you think they will. This is why testing is important and you do not test for what happens under a specific condition by doing something different and assuming it'll be the same. Very often it will not and for reasons you can't or didn't think about ahead of time.

[PlsNoBan]

If you're going to make a ridiculous outlandish claim then do it. But be prepared to provide evidence under similar conditions to the topic at hand. Otherwise people can (and should) dismiss your claims as bullshit.

[PlsNoBan]

Thank god you aren't in the software field. Who needs to run tests? I can just predict the outcomes of all possible conditions in my head. What could possibly go wrong?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank god you aren't in the software field. Who needs to run tests? I can just predict the outcomes of all possible conditions in my head. What could possibly go wrong?

Lol this is incorrect. I did run tests. I provided two videos, with logs that can be cross referenced to the videos. It shows the variability that occurs during combat. You are the one making the claim those tests are somehow invalid, and thus you need to provide evidence showing why that is.

So far you haven't provided anything other than the vague notion being in a group would drastically change the outcomes.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol this is incorrect. I did run tests. I provided two videos, with logs that can be cross referenced to the videos. It shows the variability that occurs during combat. You are the one making the claim those tests are somehow invalid, and thus you need to provide evidence showing why that is.

So far you haven't provided anything other than the vague notion being in a group would drastically change the outcomes.

The problem is your posts would seem to imply that you think certain irrefutable facts (which have been stated to you by mulitple posters, multiple times) are simply vague notions. They are not hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] This really isn't hard.

[PlsNoBan]

Dude you are fucking braindead. I honestly don't even know what to say anymore.