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[Nilstoniakrath]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think its pretty dumb to argue Obama was not smart. Being smart doesn't make you a great president necessarily. But it should be pretty uncontroversial that Obama was quite a bit more intelligent than your average bear.

Reagan might have been the dumbest president in my life time. I think W. Bush wasn't exactly a genius -- but its overstated how stupid he was. A lot of it was just his dyslexia.

The average bear is much more intelligent than that retard Obama

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Nilstoniakrath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The average bear is much more intelligent than that retard Obama

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[Nilstoniakrath]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Libturds sniveling about money in politics, but who turned down government funding in the 2008 election? Hypocrites

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Nilstoniakrath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Libturds sniveling about money in politics, but who turned down government funding in the 2008 election? Hypocrites

Seems like you missed the point. Trump is a master memer. Who needs to come up with substantive answers to questions or act cerebral when you can deploy:

• MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA
• Crooked Hillary
• Lyin' Ted
• Goofy Elizabeth Warren
• Low energy Jeb
• Lock her up
• Drain the swamp
• Build a wall

And people were susceptible to it. And that's sad. This election was won by the facile gut-decisions of the biggest group of dopes and pinheads in the developed world: the American electorate.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems like you missed the point. Trump is a master memer. Who needs to come up with substantive answers to questions or act cerebral when you can deploy:

• MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA
• Crooked Hillary
• Lyin' Ted
• Goofy Elizabeth Warren
• Low energy Jeb
• Lock her up
• Drain the swamp
• Build a wall

And people were susceptible to it. And that's sad. This election was won by the facile gut-decisions of the biggest group of dopes and pinheads in the developed world: the American electorate.

he meme'd his way to the white house.

Jeb was cooked by meme-ready statements. Rinse repeat. Still talks in memes to this day and people love it. Both sides, the kek-electorate, and the regular white joes, both love it for different reasons...but its masterful only because the memes play to both sides. it was perfect. get the disenchanted vote from all sides.

also, his meme-delivery. you can't just type it out, you have to actually LISTEN to his rally (on Fox, or live) and listen to the first time he said it. The first time he says a meme is the best timing and delivery he can muster. ex. "We're gonna drain the swamp..." He says it apologetically and trails off.. the same way he says "very sad...."

its a master memer and its going to get him reelected again. people love memes, even if they have no idea what a meme is.

[Ahldagor]

So what's the GOP's position on this? They can't protect Congress forever.

[maskedmelon]

lamenting the efficacy of memes as a tool of social manipulation is like decrying the inequity of man's ability to stand while urinating. it's biology ^^

most people are dumb. most of the people who voted for Trump are dumb. most of the people who voted for she-Clinton are dumb. most of the people who voted for Obama are dumb. you'll never understand anything if you focus solely on the dumbs. they're always there and they don't change. the 350lb gun-humpin, bible-thumpin' white neckbeard in a trailer in alabama is no more likely to change his mind than the bubble-butt Benz-chasin pig-hatin single black mother of 8 in michigan.

don't expect either of them to invest more time in parsing political platitudes or ridiculous rhetoric than they do deciding whether or not they like tomatoes. it also wise though to refrain from assuming all who disagree with you necessarily exist oblivious to the world in the basket of dumbs. there are always intelligent people on both sides of an argument of scale and they are always a minority, but understanding them is critically important in discovery of truth. you can't both be right and you can't begin to unravel who really is if you've already decided. and even if you are right, you will be unable to dismantle opposing views if you do not understand them.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lamenting the efficacy of memes as a tool of social manipulation is like decrying the inequity of man's ability to stand while urinating. it's biology ^^

most people are dumb. most of the people who voted for Trump are dumb. most of the people who voted for she-Clinton are dumb. most of the people who voted for Obama are dumb. you'll never understand anything if you focus solely on the dumbs. they're always there and they don't change. the 350lb gun-humpin, bible-thumpin' white neckbeard in a trailer in alabama is no more likely to change his mind than the bubble-butt Benz-chasin pig-hatin single black mother of 8 in michigan.

don't expect either of them to invest more time in parsing political platitudes or ridiculous rhetoric than they do deciding whether or not they like tomatoes. it also wise though to refrain from assuming all who disagree with you necessarily exist oblivious to the world in the basket of dumbs. there are always intelligent people on both sides of an argument of scale and they are always a minority, but understanding them is critically important in discovery of truth. you can't both be right and you can't begin to unravel who really is if you've already decided. and even if you are right, you will be unable to dismantle opposing views if you do not understand them.

There are intelligent people who voted for Trump for one reason or another, to whom your point applies and I agree.

But those weren't the people who made the election go the way it did. It was populism at its worst, which I'm naive to even lament about. It's exactly what our system was designed to defend against. Here I am spending the last several years whining about money in politics, and what happens when someone finally wins an election without buying it? Donald Trump. No thanks, I get it now. I don't blame the elite, I blame the Americans who put them there. Totally unqualified to run a republic.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are intelligent people who voted for Trump for one reason or another, to whom your point applies and I agree.

But those weren't the people who made the election go the way it did. It was populism at its worst, which I'm naive to even lament about. It's exactly what our system was designed to defend against. Here I am spending the last several years whining about money in politics, and what happens when someone finally wins an election without buying it? Donald Trump. No thanks, I get it now. I don't blame the elite, I blame the Americans who put them there. Totally unqualified to run a republic.

i agree :c if not the first, a fundamental role of government ought be to guard men and their fellows against their own stupidity. i see two problems wth the American system:

1. adverse selection in the purchase of power by way of promises to the voter
2. the capacity of the government to deliver on those promises, validating them in the first place.

i see two possible solutions: a largely impotent government heavily restrained in its capacity, denying politicians their favored currency, or a much more authoritarian government with limited votership. i no longer believe education to be the indomitable bane i once considered it against this sort of thing. education teaches people things. it doesn't teach the to think.

democracy is rule by fools.

[Bones]

I didn't vote trump but I still blame Shillary. Bernie should have won and she robbed him. He was the only one who had a chance against Trump and she should have recognized this and stood aside for the sake of her party and country.

Before anybody even begins to bash me for this, I am aware Bernie was not a perfect candidate and had his flaws like constantly being bashed for being a "socialist". However, those flaws do not surmount to anything even close to the flaws Trump and Hillary possess. Trump won because the voters backing Bernie switched to Trump or simply did not vote at all after Hillary and her affiliates snubbed Bernie out. Her corruption simply was not an option for many of the democrats I know in person. Out of the 3 of them I wholeheartedly believe he was by far the best choice.
I'm sure there are better choices out there but they simply did not have a chance against the big dogs with the stupidity of the average voter these days who vote based off memes and talking points they see on mainstream media outlets. For example, I was a huge Ron Paul fan and I wrote his name in back in 2008 and 2012 because he was being snubbed out of being the nominee just like Bernie was this time. The corruption in the republican party back then that allowed someone like Bush to become president and John McCain to become nominee was just like the corruption that existed in the democratic party this time around.

But we are stuck with Trump for now so all we can do is work together and work with him to try and fix the problems this country faces. What we should not do is the shit the Hillary supporters are doing by refusing to acknowledge his presidency and trying to further divide the country (Example: Shia Lebeouf and many other liberal celebrities). I didn't vote for trump but every time I see a "He is not my president" I want to punch the idiot saying it in their incompetent face.

I would like to see Trey Gowdy or Jason Chaffetz run in 2020 or at least get appointed to a meaningful position like Attorney General. Trump talks about draining the swamp. Those are his guys yet neither were appointed to meaningful positions and are still part of the "do nothing" congress. I do thoroughly enjoy watching the two of them roast corrupt politicians, government employees, and cabinet leaders in congressional hearings though. It's a shame they can't actually drop the hammer on any of them.