2020 Post Election MEGAthread

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The worry is printing money causes inflation, which devalues the fortune of the wealthy. However, if the printed money goes to the wealthy this doesn’t matter as they retain the majority of wealth and it means their fixed expenses, such as min wage workers, actually go down in relative terms.

Hyperinflation right now would be incredible for young people. Boomers currently control virtually all the country's wealth and have arranged things so they reap the benefits of government (medicare) without the responsibilities (taxes), punting the burden onto us (debt).

Hyperinflation would essentially start everything from ground zero, the boomer fortunes made worthless, the capitalist fortunes made worthless.

Never has a generation deserved it more. Boomers destroyed the world.

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by imperiouskitten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's up to you if you want to just totally disregard the deficit, odd for a "republican" and of course extremely convenient for the present situation, but if so, let's get us some fucking health care and UBI for "long-term investment in the economy". The money flows upward anyway. Now that you've given away your only argument against it -- the argument, wielded by Republicans, that has allowed millions to perish without access to doctors -- how about it?

Any reflection at all in there? ...or just gonna ghost.

Literally everybody has access to doctors. A homeless person can walk into an ER and be treated. Doctors have to sacrifice and dedicate decades of their life to being *good* though. It would be great if everyone could have 24\7 access to the best doctors in the world, and those doctors could still be compensated fairly for their dedication to the profession, and the quality of care would not decrease. Unfortunately resources are finite. Obviously that does not mean it can't be improved, but utopia is not attainable, and modern far left politics has a distinctly utopian bent.

[Anarke]

Originally Posted by Thulian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trump focused on the economy and it improved, he made sure drug companies had the cash to get the vaccine, it happened.

Trump wanted to punish china with tariffs, he did

Trump put plans in place to keep business from going oversees, some did

more factories came back to the us during his term then the past 10

not sure why so many hate him, he loves america and all the people who live here

democrats just want to bill the gov for everything and bomb the economy as long as they get paid, that means everyone gets less $$$$

I don’t usually post in threads like these anywhere it’s generally a waste of time but your incredible ignorance and stupidity deserves a response. It’s shocking just how stupid, uninformed, and generally oblivious to actual reality all of you trumpsters are.

Let’s just start at the bottom. Democrats just want to bill the government and bomb the economy?
- Since 1947 the S&P 500 average annual return under democratic presidents is 10.8% and under republican presidents it’s 5.6%. Since 1947 the average annual GDP growth under democratic presidents is 3.6% and under republican presidents it’s 2.6%.

More factories came back to the US under Trump’s term than the previous 10?
- Almost 1800 factories have left under the Trump administration between 2016 and 2018 and this dataset obviously doesn’t include his disastrous 2020. Between 2016-2018 the US gained 500,000 manufacturing jobs which is exactly the average of manufacturing jobs gained in the 2010’s decade of 166,000 per year. And once again this doesn’t include his disastrous 2020 where 740,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost. In July 2017 Trump boasted over and over about Foxconn investing $10 billion in the US and bringing thousands of jobs to Wisconsin, as of April 2020 all of Foxconn’s buildings were still empty which perfectly encapsulates Trump’s approach to governing.

Trump put plans in place to keep businesses from going overseas?
- What plans? What specific policies did he enact? This doesn’t even deserve a response see above.

Trump wanted to punish China with tariffs, he did?
- Do you typically believe everything that a pathological liar says? These tariffs don’t punish China and make very little sense in the real world. These tariffs are a tax on importers; that is US producers, wholesalers, and retailers. This tax increases a business’s cost of production which is either shouldered by the company itself making it less profitable directly and therefore allowing less new investment and less new hiring or the cost is passed on to consumers which means less consumption and less savings. Either way these tariffs have very little effect on China and actually punish US businesses and consumers.

Trump focused on the economy and it improved?
- Trump boasted if elected we would be at 4% or even 5% to 6% GDP growth yet he hasn’t even hit 3%. In the same timeframe Obama averaged 2.3% GDP while Trump has averaged 2.5% and yet in order to achieve that 0.2% boost in GDP growth Trump has nearly doubled the annual deficit from $585 billion to $984 billion. The same deficit that republicans spent 8 years decrying was going to destroy this country and must be addressed. In the same timeframe Obama added 8.08 million jobs while Trump added 6.52 million jobs. And neither these GDP nor jobs figures include Trumps disastrous 2020. Between Trump’s inauguration and the end of October 2020 the S&P 500 grew 44.5% while between Obama’s inauguration and the end of October in his 4th year the S&P 500 grew 66.1%.

Trump made sure companies had the cash to get the vaccine and it happened?
- Pfizer, the company who just developed the vaccine, did not take government funds. Despite Trump boasting that the vaccine would come out any day for months he has virtually nothing to do with its development and still has no real plan to distribute the vaccine. His entire coronavirus response, as with pretty much everything he has ever done, is to boast and take credit for anything good that happens due to the work of others while deflecting blame for anything bad that happens and doing no actual work himself.

Trump loves America and all of the people who live here?
- This is just your opinion so I won’t spend much time on this except to say this is a pretty strange statement considering Trump has spent the last 4 years almost exclusively pandering to his base and appears to show no love for anything or anyone that doesn’t directly benefit him.

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Black unemployment at an all time low, the median american household had 5000 more dollars to pump back into the economy. Again how you rationalize this away is your business, but please explain why it's bad. Cutting taxes for big business is a long-term investment in the economy; big businesses employ millions of people who now have more expendable income to roll with.

Black unemployment at an all time low?
- Sure this is true but you are also intentionally obscuring the facts. Trump inherited an unemployment rate that had been steadily falling for years and was already nearing record lows. Even a cursory look at an unemployment chart will confirm that Trump’s unemployment rate almost perfectly follows the trend line that has been established since 2010 and indicates nothing he has done during his administration has had any real effect on the unemployment rate.

The median American household had $5,000 to pump back into the economy?
- In the preceding term the median household income rose $3,471 adjusted for purchasing power while in Trump’s term median household income rose $4,943 adjusted for purchasing power. This does not include 2020 so the timeframes don’t exactly much but I would still argue that this number rising is a good thing. However as Trump had to nearly double the annual deficit during his term in order to get there at what point is the juice not worth the squeeze?

Cutting taxes for big business is a long term investment in the economy?
- If this is true then why do businesses pay taxes at all? Shouldn’t we remove taxes for all businesses entirely? 400 of America’s largest corporations paid 11.3% in federal taxes after Trump’s tax cut, while 91 corporations in the Fortune 500 paid no federal taxes. If you make more then $9,875 in taxable income in a year you pay a higher percentage in federal taxes than a massive multi-billion dollar corporation. In fact, even before Trump’s tax cut corporate profits were at record highs.

As for your comment about democrats admitting the economy was “way up” under Trump as I’ve shown above this is not remotely true by any measure. Furthermore you arguing Trump should be given full credit for black unemployment at an “all time low” while data shows he had virtually no effect on the unemployment rate and therefore almost nothing to do with it and simultaneously arguing he should receive no blame for the economic downturn even though he has managed the coronavirus response worse then pretty much every other developed country on the planet is the literal definition of being disingenuous.

[Gravydoo II]

Originally Posted by Anarke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t usually post in threads like these anywhere it’s generally a waste of time but your incredible ignorance and stupidity deserves a response. It’s shocking just how stupid, uninformed, and generally oblivious to actual reality all of you trumpsters are.

Let’s just start at the bottom. Democrats just want to bill the government and bomb the economy?
- Since 1947 the S&P 500 average annual return under democratic presidents is 10.8% and under republican presidents it’s 5.6%. Since 1947 the average annual GDP growth under democratic presidents is 3.6% and under republican presidents it’s 2.6%.

More factories came back to the US under Trump’s term than the previous 10?
- Almost 1800 factories have left under the Trump administration between 2016 and 2018 and this dataset obviously doesn’t include his disastrous 2020. Between 2016-2018 the US gained 500,000 manufacturing jobs which is exactly the average of manufacturing jobs gained in the 2010’s decade of 166,000 per year. And once again this doesn’t include his disastrous 2020 where 740,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost. In July 2017 Trump boasted over and over about Foxconn investing $10 billion in the US and bringing thousands of jobs to Wisconsin, as of April 2020 all of Foxconn’s buildings were still empty which perfectly encapsulates Trump’s approach to governing.

Trump put plans in place to keep businesses from going overseas?
- What plans? What specific policies did he enact? This doesn’t even deserve a response see above.

Trump wanted to punish China with tariffs, he did?
- Do you typically believe everything that a pathological liar says? These tariffs don’t punish China and make very little sense in the real world. These tariffs are a tax on importers; that is US producers, wholesalers, and retailers. This tax increases a business’s cost of production which is either shouldered by the company itself making it less profitable directly and therefore allowing less new investment and less new hiring or the cost is passed on to consumers which means less consumption and less savings. Either way these tariffs have very little effect on China and actually punish US businesses and consumers.

Trump focused on the economy and it improved?
- Trump boasted if elected we would be at 4% or even 5% to 6% GDP growth yet he hasn’t even hit 3%. In the same timeframe Obama averaged 2.3% GDP while Trump has averaged 2.5% and yet in order to achieve that 0.2% boost in GDP growth Trump has nearly doubled the annual deficit from $585 billion to $984 billion. The same deficit that republicans spent 8 years decrying was going to destroy this country and must be addressed. In the same timeframe Obama added 8.08 million jobs while Trump added 6.52 million jobs. And neither these GDP nor jobs figures include Trumps disastrous 2020. Between Trump’s inauguration and the end of October 2020 the S&P 500 grew 44.5% while between Obama’s inauguration and the end of October in his 4th year the S&P 500 grew 66.1%.

Trump made sure companies had the cash to get the vaccine and it happened?
- Pfizer, the company who just developed the vaccine, did not take government funds. Despite Trump boasting that the vaccine would come out any day for months he has virtually nothing to do with its development and still has no real plan to distribute the vaccine. His entire coronavirus response, as with pretty much everything he has ever done, is to boast and take credit for anything good that happens due to the work of others while deflecting blame for anything bad that happens and doing no actual work himself.

Trump loves America and all of the people who live here?
- This is just your opinion so I won’t spend much time on this except to say this is a pretty strange statement considering Trump has spent the last 4 years almost exclusively pandering to his base and appears to show no love for anything or anyone that doesn’t directly benefit him.





Black unemployment at an all time low?
- Sure this is true but you are also intentionally obscuring the facts. Trump inherited an unemployment rate that had been steadily falling for years and was already nearing record lows. Even a cursory look at an unemployment chart will confirm that Trump’s unemployment rate almost perfectly follows the trend line that has been established since 2010 and indicates nothing he has done during his administration has had any real effect on the unemployment rate.

The median American household had $5,000 to pump back into the economy?
- In the preceding term the median household income rose $3,471 adjusted for purchasing power while in Trump’s term median household income rose $4,943 adjusted for purchasing power. This does not include 2020 so the timeframes don’t exactly much but I would still argue that this number rising is a good thing. However as Trump had to nearly double the annual deficit during his term in order to get there at what point is the juice not worth the squeeze?

Cutting taxes for big business is a long term investment in the economy?
- If this is true then why do businesses pay taxes at all? Shouldn’t we remove taxes for all businesses entirely? 400 of America’s largest corporations paid 11.3% in federal taxes after Trump’s tax cut, while 91 corporations in the Fortune 500 paid no federal taxes. If you make more then $9,875 in taxable income in a year you pay a higher percentage in federal taxes than a massive multi-billion dollar corporation. In fact, even before Trump’s tax cut corporate profits were at record highs.

As for your comment about democrats admitting the economy was “way up” under Trump as I’ve shown above this is not remotely true by any measure. Furthermore you arguing Trump should be given full credit for black unemployment at an “all time low” while data shows he had virtually no effect on the unemployment rate and therefore almost nothing to do with it and simultaneously arguing he should receive no blame for the economic downturn even though he has managed the coronavirus response worse then pretty much every other developed country on the planet is the literal definition of being disingenuous.

here you go.

[Gravydoo II]

We could stop spending HALF the money on "defense" and pay doctors with it. Pay for college for kids to become doctors. Pay for nurses who want to further their careers to become doctors. Could pay doctors to expand their expertise to become even better doctors. Could spend it on literally ANYTHING other than more guns we genuinely dont need.. 14 aircraft carriers? Dont need em. More tanks? Dont need em. More planes? Dont need em.

Continuous deployments to countries we shouldnt even be in, 20 years on, dont need it.
Didnt need to spend a trillion in iraq.

[imperiouskitten]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Literally everybody has access to doctors. A homeless person can walk into an ER and be treated. Doctors have to sacrifice and dedicate decades of their life to being *good* though. It would be great if everyone could have 24\7 access to the best doctors in the world, and those doctors could still be compensated fairly for their dedication to the profession, and the quality of care would not decrease. Unfortunately resources are finite. Obviously that does not mean it can't be improved, but utopia is not attainable, and modern far left politics has a distinctly utopian bent.

Oh please. I've been uninsured before and it meant zero medical care. Don't go in to the hospital unless my appendix is bursting. No preventative care. No antidepressants, no sleeping pills, not even a thought about getting HRT since it felt so out of reach. Christ, I remember how it felt. Like I was a week or three driving tickets from falling into the street all the time. And when I did have to go to the ER, which will only treat certain conditions doofus, threats of docking my pay directly were made if I don't pay my medical bills to Oregon back.

If we funneled money into it (subsidy), the resource pool could and would expand. But you don't even respond about the deficit question, just pivot to some nonsense.

Most American doctors are totally for shit btw, I know more about medicine than 90% of the docs I've been treated by but yet there is an arbitrary "expertise" paywall standing between me and simple medications like antibiotics, five-cent estrogen pills and meloxicam which could be behind glass at the grocery store and handled by a pharmacist's assistant or cashier. It's a mafia system which deserves zero respect. I would have zero ongoing access to these things, which excepting antibiotics I need daily everyday, from the ER. The system sucks dick and you are a dicksucker to paint it as some shining edifice of brilliance and hyperprofessionalism. A young dicksucker who has never had medical problems. Try getting really sick and let me know how trustworthy those offices really are at processing your referrals, getting your prescriptions in, etc. In reality the patient has to do every single task for them, calling 5x to get each one done, even at "fine hospitals" like UW that are raking in billions.

We already have Brazilian medical care even at the premium we pay; it's just nobody knows it because so few people have access and need of the premium shit I do. I have very good medical care because I am (cleverly on my part [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]) classified as impoverished and Oregon/Washington spoil impoverished people with insane medical care. I can't get a normal job because I won't be able to stay classified as impoverished in order to continue receiving the best medical care available in the US. No, I can't get a job and just go to the ER to continue getting my prescriptions.

Let me be the canary in the coal mine: if your hands stop operating, you will be completely unable to make the fifteen to twenty phone calls per day, consuming your entire day every day, required to manage your medical care and bully staff into actually moving your paperwork, so I hope you have people around you who will help. This is the "customer experience" of being a multimillion-dollar patient. Nobody cares because it's a racket and millions are a drop in a vast, vast bucket. I sure hope you like smooth jazz btw, you'll be hearing a LOT of it through one ear when you are pursuing your second surgery to fix the first one which was botched by a scumbag doctor (PS, you have no recourse for this). This is the amazing medical care for the rich you would sacrifice lives to conserve.

The slashing of regulations to allow Teladoc was a huge step forward and all it took was sapping a tiny bit of power from the medical mafia. I have no doubt we could reform our system to treat 10 times the patients at no additional cost. Certain lazy pieces of shit, MD who have benefitted from slow moving borderline no-show mobster medical jobs might be bummed out, tho.

You are just so full of shit and clearly have very little experience with the world. God is in his heaven and all is right when ur a 5'6" conservative bottom and you're doing fine. For anyone with chronic medical problems, though, insured or not, I promise you the system sucks. Sucks. Hit me up when it's gone otherwise than fine and healthy for you, and you can imagine a use for medicine other than stitching a severed arm back on. Thanks for at least posting a limp, deflective reply I guess.

[Gravydoo II]

$30 dollar asprins at the hospital. A piece of tube? 100 dollars.. Oh you want one pain killer? 50 dollars. Oh you want help? 650, right out the gate, no services performed at all. Covid stay in hospital?? 60k, average cost. Up to millions.

[imperiouskitten]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

$30 dollar asprins at the hospital. A piece of tube? 100 dollars.. Oh you want one pain killer? 50 dollars. Oh you want help? 650, right out the gate, no services performed at all. Covid stay in hospital?? 60k, average cost. Up to millions.

That's just the price of genius doctors who can't even pronounce chemical names from chemistry class, buddy. (did they go to school at ALL?!?) Nothing to change there.

[HalflingSpergand]

The inflated cost of health care is because health care is subsidized by the government so they gouge the insurance companies

[Jibartik]

The snake in the medical symbol means satan.