2020 Post Election MEGAthread

[Gravydoo II]

I know christians are taught that atheists "hate" god or are "mad at" god but in all honesty, most atheists dont even think about god, ever. Its just not in our heads. We dont care. We have no skin in the game. We dont think we were forsaken, left to twist in the wind, blame god for our lives or misdeeds, none of it. We dont consider it, ever. You know why? Cause we dont believe in it.

Why would someone be mad at something they dont believe in...? Its like being mad at santa claus or the easter bunny, when you're 30. You see how silly that sounds? Do you blame santa when you car breaks down or you get a speeding ticket?? No.

So why would we be mad, blame, or hate something we dont even believe exists or ever has existed??

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know christians are taught that atheists "hate" god or are "mad at" god but in all honesty, most atheists dont even think about god, ever. Its just not in our heads. We dont care. We have no skin in the game. We dont think we were forsaken, left to twist in the wind, blame god for our lives or misdeeds, none of it. We dont consider it, ever. You know why? Cause we dont believe in it.

Why would someone be mad at something they dont believe in...? Its like being mad at santa claus or the easter bunny, when you're 30. You see how silly that sounds? Do you blame santa when you car breaks down or you get a speeding ticket?? No.

So why would we be mad, blame, or hate something we dont even believe exists or ever has existed??

That's why the typifier "or blasphemer" was included. Why would a hylic pay any heed to these things?

However

There is a large contingent of people who would identify under the atheist umbrella whilst actually taking a very vindictive counter position to Christianity, specifically. Trolls who would willingly go out of their way to attack and denigrate Christianity while simultaneously embracing social doctrine that doesn't focus the same ire toward Muslims and Talmudic Jews (or Samaritans, or Rosicrucians for that matter)

It seems impossible to rationalize these individuals under the same category as agnostic atheists who disregard spirituality entirely, including any public discourse of said irrelevant topics. Would you not agree?

[Gravydoo II]

How about that right wing violence in an effort to find the voter fraud?? So, this van had 750,000 ballots in the back of it. An AC van. So the investigator crashed his truck into the van, jumps out, sticks a gun in the drivers face. He then yanks him out and handcuffs him. They search the van. Nothing.

Now hes facing up to 30 years for his insane attack on this innocent man. He started with the idea "this man is the master mind to the voter fraud scandal" then went to find the crime. Thats not how investigations work. At all.

https://abc13.com/mark-anthony-aguir...OppKAJrjSnjKyQ

[Gwaihir]

For example, throughout the classic era on Green, I bound bible verses such as Psalms 119:130 for my clarity hotkey;

The unfolding of your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple.

A relevant verse for giving one clarity from an enchanter named Christendom.

Undoubtedly, even amongst lowbey groups I was frequenting with free buffs, I would run across someone who literally flew off the handle threatening me, and petitioning me. Among the tells from one jackass was the proud declaration that he was an atheist, before later compounding the claim to take a more vitriolic Heil Satan approach.

Even had a GM message me once in response and I simply told him, look man. I'm just giving people free buffs. I didn't even argue back with the guy. Check the logs, he's been rabting and raving at me for 30 unanswered tells in a row because I gave him and his entire group free buffs.

I didn't create that hatred and animosity within these people, it was already there, just waiting for a target to project their feelings of contempt and animosity onto.

[Gravydoo II]

Well yea. Wouldnt you say that christianity has an undeserved position in our society? Wow, building million dollar churches really helps the community. Not like they could have used that money to help the people in their congregation.. Why do christians deserve a seat at every table, simply for being christians? Why is that nearly a requirement in most states to be elected? Because of christians spreading lies about atheists and how they have no morals because they dont believe in a higher power.

Taking a stance against christianity and a stance against god are two different things. One is real, actually effects people on earth. They claim to be a charity but who do they help, exactly? Their 501c is abused at every chance they get. New tires for the mercedes? Oh its for the church... tax free.

In high school a couple of my class mates did and experiment to see which churches actually help people if you go to them in need. Not one of them offered anything but "council" and some old dirty clothes. No financial help, no help with doctors appointments, no help with anything. I thought a charity was supposed to help people in need? Not here, apparently. We went to 37 churches in the area.

One offered to sell us a gallon of a cure all that could cure cancer, parvo, std's, and basically any other disease for the low low price of 800 dollars. Oh and lots of books, they offered lots of books to buy, tapes to buy, all to "help" with our situations. Isnt that disgusting to you?

Many of the kids involved lived in abject poverty, drug addicted parents, suffered from mental illness of physical impairments.. People who actually needed help. None was offered in any form.

The local mosque in my area was burned down by a christian on a motorcycle. The local synagogue and Hindi churches were also vandalized. I also dont see muslims and jews on my street corners with signs and huge crosses yelling at traffic. I dont see them going around burning churches. I dont see them running youth groups that turn out to be very bad places for kids to go. I dont see them running conversation camps. I dont see them condemning gay people, openly, for simply loving someone. I dont see them opening day cares to pound allah or yaweh into kids heads, like I see in my town.

I see sikhs shaving their beards for covid, not claiming they have a religious exemption from wearing a mask. I dont see jews or muslims trying to force their religious icons and commandments onto state property then crying about it when its found to be unconstitutional, again, but insisting it should stay. I just dont see it, not locally anyways. I see christian politicians spending tax payer money fighting losing court battles, wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars on their own arrogance by denying invocations from any non-christian and giving permission to put religious symbols on state property. Then they lose in court, every time. Billions have been utterly wasted this way. All because of their own entitlement. I dont see jews or muslims on tv, lying to everyone about how prayer is BANNED in schools and their holy books are ILLEGAL in schools. Lying about how evil atheists are and how evil colleges are for teaching science.

See my point? They draw the ire of people because they feel like they deserve to be number 1, always. Never denied. Their arrogance and self-entitlement is so over the top. They feel like they deserve total domination of the USA, all its schools, all its institutions, and should have control of what your kids learn in school.

Do they not claim that the USA is a christian nation, all the time? Its not. It was formed as a secular nation with clear boundaries between church and state. Churches say they are entitled to tax payer money, even when they pay no tax. They will lie, cheat, and steal to get money. Like from the PPP program. Are you a church or a business? A church when it comes to paying taxes, a business when it comes to asking the government for money. How can they have it both ways? They preach politics from the pulpits, should result in a loss of their 501c but it never does. I wonder why...

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well yea. Wouldnt you say that christianity has an undeserved position in our society? Wow, building million dollar churches really helps the community. Not like they could have used that money to help the people in their congregation.. Why do christians deserve a seat at every table, simply for being christians? Why is that nearly a requirement in most states to be elected? Because of christians spreading lies about atheists and how they have no morals because they dont believe in a higher power.

Taking a stance against christianity and a stance against god are two different things. One is real, actually effects people on earth. They claim to be a charity but who do they help, exactly? Their 501c is abused at every chance they get. New tires for the mercedes? Oh its for the church... tax free.

In high school a couple of my class mates did and experiment to see which churches actually help people if you go to them in need. Not one of them offered anything but "council" and some old dirty clothes. No financial help, no help with doctors appointments, no help with anything. I thought a charity was supposed to help people in need? Not here, apparently. We went to 37 churches in the area.

One offered to sell us a gallon of a cure all that could cure cancer, parvo, std's, and basically any other disease for the low low price of 800 dollars. Oh and lots of books, they offered lots of books to buy, tapes to buy, all to "help" with our situations. Isnt that disgusting to you?

Many of the kids involved lived in abject poverty, drug addicted parents, suffered from mental illness of physical impairments.. People who actually needed help. None was offered in any form.

The local mosque in my area was burned down by a christian on a motorcycle. The local synagogue and Hindi churches were also vandalized. I also dont see muslims and jews on my street corners with signs and huge crosses yelling at traffic. I dont see them going around burning churches. I dont see them running youth groups that turn out to be very bad places for kids to go. I dont see them running conversation camps. I dont see them condemning gay people, openly, for simply loving someone. I dont see them opening day cares to allah or yaweh into kids heads, like I see in my town.

I see sikhs shaving their beards for covid, not claiming they have a religious exemption from wearing a mask. I dont see jews or muslims trying to force their religious icons and commandments onto state property then crying about it when its found to be unconstitutional, again, but insisting it should stay. I just dont see it, not locally anyways. I dont see them lying to everyone about how prayer is BANNED in schools and their holy books are ILLEGAL in schools.

See my point? They draw the ire of people because they feel like they deserve to be number 1, always. Never denied. Their arrogance and self-entitlement is so over the top. They feel like they deserve total domination of the USA, all its schools, all its institutions, and should have control of what your kids learn in school.

The church did more for humanitarian aid in the founding and building of this empire with 10%, than the US Government does with 30% now.

Most of the food banks in this country are funded, staffed, and managed entirely by churches of varying denominations, still. To this very day. The godless think they can legislate "Love". It's the stupidest idea ever, and it's akin to the Pharisees legislating "salvation".

The prosperity of this country throughout it's development is due, in large part, to the church and it's people's ethics.

Look at what we have now, as the nation's christian influence wanes. I would argue the Christian church,on the whole, is largely being devalued, and you have it entirely ass backwards.

If I had to state what I'm critical of the church for, I would state that the majority of contemporary churches seem to be overly geared toward providing a message that is more about assuaging guilt, while oreintating it's message toward the hylic audience and only providing a shallow interpretation of faith, but I suppose that's largely due to a shrinking audience and shortage of dutiful tithing to work with, which takes away from a more content church which should otherwise be about building up the church bodies TRUST in God's providence. In effect, they're guilty of fearing God will not meet their needs, which is antithesis to faith.

Did you know the Jewish word for faith originally meant "trust". It didn't mean "blind belief"

What this means is that the church is more interested in "saving the lost" than it is about perfecting the saved, because a larger church body means greater security for the pastors with suboptimal tithing.

I think it should be more about the latter, and there would a lot less examples of misguided idiots making a political spectacle of the faith.

When a pastor leaves a congregation and a church is on the market for a new pastor, they interview and retrace the statistics of pastors "in the market". This pastor grew his previous congregation by 3% per month in the past two years, and oversaw a 7% growth in tithing revenue, we need a pastor like this leading our congregation.

[Gravydoo II]

Oh and lets not even get into evolution... Thats whole deal. How long did christians fight that for? 100 years?? They didnt want to lose their grip on peoples minds to reality and science, so they lied about evolution, scientists, and everyone involved. Am I not wrong??

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh and lets not even get into evolution... Thats whole deal. How long did christians fight that for? 100 years?? They didnt want to lose their grip on peoples minds to reality and science, so they lied about evolution, scientists, and everyone involved. Am I not wrong??

Science is entirely wrong on its timeframe. Because space is expanding, and time is space, time is stretching and expanding as well.

This means that radioactive decay is logarithmic, that is to say the cascading effect of radioactive decay accelerates over time, and the only reason why we haven't realized that yet is because science hasn't had a long enough frame of reference to notice it, since the tools we use to discern it have only been around for a very short time, and the only isotopes which decay in a frame of reference we can currently discern occur so quickly that the effect is immeasurable.

[Gravydoo II]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Science is entirely wrong on its timeframe. Because space is expanding, and time is space, time is stretching and expanding as well.

This means that radioactive decay is logarithmic, that is to say the cascading effect of radioactive decay accelerates over time, and the only reason why we haven't realized that yet is because science hasn't had a long enough frame of reference to notice it, since the tools we use to discern it have only been around for a very short time.

LOLOLOLOL did you learn that from kent hovind?? I cant believe you just tried to use the very science that defines what you're saying, to say its wrong. Then you said you actually know better than every single scientist on earth concerning evolution and dating. THAT IS ARROGANCE. You have no degree in that field. You have no published, peer reviewed papers in any field yet you claim to know more than all of physics and biology.

Since you're so sure of yourself, why havent you submitted your paper using the very science you claim is false? You just said scientific method for one thing is correct but the very same method is false for another. Simply because you disagree with it. That is arrogance and a TOTAL misunderstanding of science and how it works.

I love how you simply glossed over every single point and just said "christianity helped more" lol.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOLOLOLOL did you learn that from kent hovind?? I cant believe you just tried to use the very science that defines what you're saying, to say its wrong. Then you said you actually know better than every single scientist on earth concerning evolution and dating. THAT IS ARROGANCE. You have no degree in that field. You have no published, peer reviewed papers in any field yet you claim to know more than all of physics and biology.

Since you're so sure of yourself, why havent you submitted your paper using the very science you claim is false? You just said scientific method for one thing is correct but the very same method is false for another. Simply because you disagree with it. That is arrogance and a TOTAL misunderstanding of science and how it works.

I love how you simply glossed over every single point and just said "christianity helped more" lol.

Actually I do have a degree in Chemistry, and Biology. Lol literally, thats what I majored in. I graduated with honors while living in a fucking tent down the hill from WSU's Vancouver satellite. I tutored most of the higher scoring STEM majors who went on to take the MCAT and become your doctors. My closest colleague from the 2015 alumni went on to become a neuroscientist and we still talk metaphysics frequently.

You are literally grasping at straws here.