Casinos

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Lifebar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Removing meat gambling from this server is a BLATANT attempt to cover-up GM-run real meat trading. Deru and his jackbooted thugs shut down Greengrocer and laugh all the way to the bank--their pockets full of fine smoked meats. SHAME on you, shame on all of you!

Oh you can buy all the meat you want in Thurgadin once Velious comes out right?
Disgusting. I hope you choke on all of those bear sandwiches.


Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them.
Frederick Douglass.

i like meat. it's tasty.

[kaev]

Oh nice, I can clear all my characters' ignore lists now, just as I was able to when casinos were banned on my live server. Not a huge quality of life improvement for the server, but an improvement none-the-less.

[Elerial]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're trying to fix RMT, you need to devalue in game currency until the risk no longer outweighs the reward. If you look to the case of Supremacy, he claims to have made $42,000. If you think of that practically for him, that's 4 years of education at a state university. Therefore, the risk < reward.

There are several ways to devalue currency...Lower cost of Peridots, Port Stones, Sky keys, Rubies, recharges (especially the 100k/charge cost on Staff of Forbidden Rites), etc...However, I feel like the staff wants to revalue currency, which increases the real life value price per plat. (This of course omits the possibility of lowering drop rates on currently expensive items including BCG, VS legs, Trak BP's, etc...)

If you're looking to sap plat out of the economy and reduce ways of laundering plat for RMT, an NPC with rare goods is definitely a way to go. However, I would add a twist to increase scarcity. I advocate an NPC that sells things like a guise for 1million plat for selfish reasons, but I know that I would personally buy 1 the first day that NPC went live. HOWEVER, I also know that if I knew that NPC would always be around I would defer buying one for another char for an indefinite period of time which would keep plat in velocity (circulation in the economy). Given that tid-bit, if you put an NPC that sold items like guise and staff of endless adventure (only item i want!!!) on an NPC and I knew that NPC would be for a very limited time (this NPC could make random INFREQUENT guest appearances in the future), I would buy 2-3 guises on day one. That's 2-3million plat right there and as per my conversation in teamspeak about this earlier, I could estimate approximately 15mil out of the economy on day one(ish).

You make a valid point, but not everyone on the server, not even a larger population has 3 million plat to spare on a vanity item (in this case, pre-nerf Guise of the Deceiver).
Nor would a large majority of the population even want to spend 3 million plat on that.

Again, it's the 1% versus 99%.

The fact that even such quantities of raw platinum coin exists is troubling. Back in classic & Kunark, rare gems didn't sell for a small fortune. They sold for how much the best vendor would sell you one for.

If anyone is to blame for the broken economy, it's the players themselves demanding exorbitant prices and idiots meeting their demands.
Example: The caster onky 40/30 staff, 300k. Who would be retarded enough to buy that? Why is the person even selling it for such a price? Are item prices now judged on their stats NO MATTER who can actually use them?

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're trying to fix RMT, you need to devalue in game currency until the risk no longer outweighs the reward. If you look to the case of Supremacy, he claims to have made $42,000. If you think of that practically for him, that's 4 years of education at a state university. Therefore, the risk < reward.

There are several ways to devalue currency...Lower cost of Peridots, Port Stones, Sky keys, Rubies, recharges (especially the 100k/charge cost on Staff of Forbidden Rites), etc...However, I feel like the staff wants to revalue currency, which increases the real life value price per plat. (This of course omits the possibility of lowering drop rates on currently expensive items including BCG, VS legs, Trak BP's, etc...)

If you're looking to sap plat out of the economy and reduce ways of laundering plat for RMT, an NPC with rare goods is definitely a way to go. However, I would add a twist to increase scarcity. I advocate an NPC that sells things like a guise for 1million plat for selfish reasons, but I know that I would personally buy 1 the first day that NPC went live. HOWEVER, I also know that if I knew that NPC would always be around I would defer buying one for another char for an indefinite period of time which would keep plat in velocity (circulation in the economy). Given that tid-bit, if you put an NPC that sold items like guise and staff of endless adventure (only item i want!!!) on an NPC and I knew that NPC would be for a very limited time (this NPC could make random INFREQUENT guest appearances in the future), I would buy 2-3 guises on day one. That's 2-3million plat right there and as per my conversation in teamspeak about this earlier, I could estimate approximately 15mil out of the economy on day one(ish).

Devaluing currency would just make RMTers have to tweak their pp:dollar ratio a little. The amount of devaluing you'd have to do to make RMT not worth it for them would probably do irreparable damage to the economy.

Also making an npc that sells shit like guises straight up for large amounts of platinum is beyond retarded no matter how short the window to buy it. And it does nothing for stopping RMT plat laundering.

In fact making an npc that sells guises just promotes RMT since most people dont have that kind of pp and would be desperate to get their hands on a guise. If gms announced such a npc would be available tomorrow for 24 hours I would be willing to bet that every RMT'ers plat supply would be dry before the npc was removed again.

[teija]

i vote no NPC guise machine, i like being somewhat rare XD

[bluejam]

thanks for this. was running out of /ignore space.

yes on npc casinos to destroy plat.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Elerial [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Example: The caster onky 40/30 staff, 300k. Who would be retarded enough to buy that? Why is the person even selling it for such a price? Are item prices now judged on their stats NO MATTER who can actually use them?

Are you talking about this? It's very useful for leveling casters since that kind of melee damage is quite effective at lower levels (at least, once you're past the damage cap), even on a caster. Granted, there are cheaper ways to level a caster (e.g. pay someone for PLing services). I also hear that it can be useful even for high level casters in certain situations when soloing and possibly even in groups/raids (not sure about this one; it depends on what else that person has to do in the group/raid; I know that in raids especially, oftentimes classes' utility is very limited, and this item might bolster their utility by giving them something to do during a time when they may not be very active, e.g. a mage fighting a raid boss that has extremely high resists). Finally, it's just a cool and unique item because it lets your caster do so much more melee DPS than they normally would be able to, even if it's not good DPS compared to a monk or rogue or what-have-you.

Disclaimer: I'd never buy this item for anywhere near its market price. But I don't think it's fair to assume that just because someone buys an item for a huge price, they're a moron. I know Tecmos bought at least one of these and if you read up on stuff like the solo artist challenge thread, you'll know that he is an extremely capable player. (At least, I think it was Tecmos... I had a conversation with someone a while back about the item)

[nilbog]

You won't be seeing legacy items sold for platinum by npcs. Sorry.

[Estu]

Addendum:

[Fri Oct 11 20:03:37 2013] Tecmosbardone auctions, 'WTB Rod of Annihilation 300k'
[Fri Oct 11 20:03:52 2013] You told tecmosbardone, 'what are you buying that for?'
[Fri Oct 11 20:04:00 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'Necro alt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'
[Fri Oct 11 20:04:24 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'heh sounds fun'
[Fri Oct 11 20:04:32 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'going with that + tola robe?'
[Fri Oct 11 20:07:44 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'yeah, sorry. tell hell'
[Fri Oct 11 20:07:52 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'np'
[Fri Oct 11 20:07:55 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, '1 good hit at 20 is like 2 ticks worth of dots'
[Thu Dec 19 08:27:15 2013] Tecmosbardone auctions, 'WTB Rod of Annihilation 300k'
[Thu Dec 19 08:27:40 2013] You told tecmosbardone, 'weren't you trying to buy one of those like three months ago lol'
[Thu Dec 19 08:31:02 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'Yeah, have been trying since!'
[Thu Dec 19 08:31:17 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'Tecmos hasnt had one since i made my necro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'
[Thu Dec 19 08:31:40 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'wait you want two?'
[Thu Dec 19 08:33:04 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'Yeah, I dont like transfering it every time I want to play the other character [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'
[Thu Dec 19 08:33:15 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'lol wow you really must have a ton of money to blow'
[Thu Dec 19 08:33:23 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'if you can't be assed to transfer a 300k item =p'
[Thu Dec 19 08:33:37 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'It's true [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'
[Thu Dec 19 08:33:57 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'Not really BLOWING the money though, since it is a rare, cool, fun item that doesnt drop anymore'
[Thu Dec 19 08:34:08 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'that you can transfer perfectly easily =p'
[Thu Dec 19 08:34:58 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'so when do you use it on tecmos'
[Thu Dec 19 08:35:35 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'also do you suppose it would be usable as a pet weapon? that would be hilarious'
[Thu Dec 19 08:36:37 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'Lol'
[Thu Dec 19 08:37:17 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'I use it on tecmos if I'm bored in a raid, when Im farming lower-level stuff like droga or faction in someplace like blackburrow, when I want to help a group out from out of the group, et'
[Thu Dec 19 08:37:38 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'Save and Loraen actually use theirs in real groups for extra dps'
[Thu Dec 19 08:37:47 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'I see'
[Thu Dec 19 08:38:10 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'I do 15-20 dps with it on trash in sky, lol'

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you look to the case of Supremacy, he claims to have made $42,000. If you think of that practically for him, that's 4 years of education at a state university.

What school are you going to? College cost me 41k a year