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[Nirgon]

Stasis its more people sticking around to kill instead of being an empty box.

We've given out 2 AoNs to non AIM chat members, which speaks for itself. It's not corrupt, its not evil, we will guild kick for RMT (seriously try offering it at a raid, yer fuckin' dead). We won't delete items in front of people if they haven't served out some 6th month sentence. We have very little in the guild bank as we give out a lot and I'm sure if the guild bank does over flow with things like bard drums and tash orbs that we won't with hold them from sale or at extremely reasonable prices. I mean how many SoW swords did Nizzar take for himself? 3? We all just got a front row seat to Gongshow giving up a robe of azure sky to Bazia because believe it or not that guy has put the fuckin' work in on his enchanter and showed up to help with almost everything. This greed, this corruption you all claim... is just buried under a mountain of selfless loot decisions all of which I think are unanimously agreed upon. It begs the question though, why do we have so many people on the side lines picking at our loot decisions? That's an easy question to answer, your minds are completely pixel infected and you'll train, kill steal etc to get it. I heard in guild chat about a group of 6 OOR Azraels kill stealing the pained soul from someone. You realize kill stealing, pvp or not, is against the rules? I'm sure you care infinitely more about critiquing where our next AoN goes and nothing about that.

As far as guild size? it's a Velious sized raid force for sure, and if you think it was "scary" in bronze or whatever, its starting to bathe in sweet slime blood and chicken bones. Sometimes we get 35 sometimes we get 60. These new guys aren't all some core that shows up on time every time for everything, we gotta cover the spread and we sure as hell gotta gear this many for Velious... like it or not. Have you taken a swing at Sontalak on the beta? Or just the dragons a shaman can solo?

We don't know if Holo will ever split, burn out due to another 3 years of waiting for Velious or what. What we DO know is its causing people to stick around here and at least get geared up to the point that they can split off and hold their own at least a little bit pvping like Free Agents could be doing.

Word on the street is Slamdunk and Eternal Light merged. We need more guilds like those guys. They don't go zone to zone trying to stomp lvl 56's with disciplines, they don't corpse camp, they don't make rage novels on the forums about pvp. I'm glad to hear they merged and hope it turns out well. Most of all I hope they recruit new players, help new players with class decisions based on their interests/guild needs and grow the population.

There's a bigger prize than anything on Phara Dar's loot table to be had, its a server with a healthy population, gentle sirs engaging in PvP around that clock and regular development to finish out some remaining issues. I'd delete every pixel I own or have access to for that. Seeing Aussie come back and the pop clawing at 220-250.... who woulda thunk it? A year ago no one could have predicted the staff finally being done with the Duke ignoring their direction/acting like he owned the place, Haynar coming out of the woodwork and taking an interest in our little forumquest community and hammering out pvp fixes that were DESPERATELY needed.

Hell Stacey, I guarantee that duelist backstabbing me and chasing me was more fun than you're ever going to have looting an item. When you're ready to bury the sperg hatchet over me being against variance I'm down. Variance is literally the worst thing ever and caters to the 24-7 unemployed player more than ANYTHING else. Not to mention it is a custom change, which is never a good thing.

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stasis its more people sticking around to kill instead of being an empty box.

We've given out 2 AoNs to non AIM chat members, which speaks for itself. It's not corrupt, its not evil, we will guild kick for RMT (seriously try offering it at a raid, yer fuckin' dead). We won't delete items in front of people if they haven't served out some 6th month sentence. We have very little in the guild bank as we give out a lot and I'm sure if the guild bank does over flow with things like bard drums and tash orbs that we won't with hold them from sale or at extremely reasonable prices. I mean how many SoW swords did Nizzar take for himself? 3? We all just got a front row seat to Gongshow giving up a robe of azure sky to Bazia because believe it or not that guy has put the fuckin' work in on his enchanter and showed up to help with almost everything. This greed, this corruption you all claim... is just buried under a mountain of selfless loot decisions all of which I think are unanimously agreed upon. It begs the question though, why do we have so many people on the side lines picking at our loot decisions? That's an easy question to answer, your minds are completely pixel infected and you'll train, kill steal etc to get it. I heard in guild chat about a group of 6 OOR Azraels kill stealing the pained soul from someone. You realize kill stealing, pvp or not, is against the rules? I'm sure you care infinitely more about critiquing where our next AoN goes and nothing about that.

As far as guild size? it's a Velious sized raid force for sure, and if you think it was "scary" in bronze or whatever, its starting to bathe in sweet slime blood and chicken bones. Sometimes we get 35 sometimes we get 60. These new guys aren't all some core that shows up on time every time for everything, we gotta cover the spread and we sure as hell gotta gear this many for Velious... like it or not. Have you taken a swing at Sontalak on the beta? Or just the dragons a shaman can solo?

We don't know if Holo will ever split, burn out due to another 3 years of waiting for Velious or what. What we DO know is its causing people to stick around here and at least get geared up to the point that they can split off and hold their own at least a little bit pvping like Free Agents could be doing.

Word on the street is Slamdunk and Eternal Light merged. We need more guilds like those guys. They don't go zone to zone trying to stomp lvl 56's with disciplines, they don't corpse camp, they don't make rage novels on the forums about pvp. I'm glad to hear they merged and hope it turns out well. Most of all I hope they recruit new players, help new players with class decisions based on their interests/guild needs and grow the population.

There's a bigger prize than anything on Phara Dar's loot table to be had, its a server with a healthy population, gentle sirs engaging in PvP around that clock and regular development to finish out some remaining issues. I'd delete every pixel I own or have access to for that. Seeing Aussie come back and the pop clawing at 220-250.... who woulda thunk it? A year ago no one could have predicted the staff finally being done with the Duke ignoring their direction/acting like he owned the place, Haynar coming out of the woodwork and taking an interest in our little forumquest community and hammering out pvp fixes that were DESPERATELY needed.

Hell Stacey, I guarantee that duelist backstabbing me and chasing me was more fun than you're ever going to have looting an item. When you're ready to bury the sperg hatchet over me being against variance I'm down. Variance is literally the worst thing ever and caters to the 24-7 unemployed player more than ANYTHING else. Not to mention it is a custom change, which is never a good thing.

I liked it, if the motivation is to help people, and not to shit on new guilds you got my support.

If it's all about hating some ghost bad guy like Az who never was going to try very hard to do that guild model - or shit on the up and comers like Nihi always did (heresy, force, RD) because they were "coming for them" then I'll point it out - which it has been towards Az recently.

Till now - the mindset has been very hostile and butt hurt, for no reason - and eventually you'll need to let other guilds grow if u want this box to be fun multi guild server.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and eventually you'll need to let other guilds grow if u want this box to be fun multi guild server.

I have not formed one group nor seen one formed and fully raid buff with the intentions of :

"Hey there's some Eternal Light guys trying to xp at Efreeti, lets kill them there, then at the LS portal and make them call guild LNS from every connected zone"

I mean, that's what lots of our guys dealt with (including me) coming up on the return.

The ones that stuck around on red right now can handle that kind of thing but if you're looking at average Joe coming here and wanting to say you can't be refreshing /who every minute 24-7 and then rolling groups with 3 duelist rogues until they log.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I liked it, if the motivation is to help people, and not to shit on new guilds you got my support.

If it's all about hating some ghost bad guy like Az who never was going to try very hard to do that guild model - or shit on the up and comers like Nihi always did (heresy, force, RD) because they were "coming for them" then I'll point it out - which it has been towards Az recently.

Till now - the mindset has been very hostile and butt hurt, for no reason - and eventually you'll need to let other guilds grow if u want this box to be fun multi guild server.

You gotta admit man, a lot of that came from Azrael. A handful of ex-Nihilum got invited and you guys immediately went right back to the blood feud bs. Didn't matter that none of the Holo leadership was Nihilum core and one was even one of your greatest warriors in the 2 year Nihilum vs Azrael battle.

Not trying to rag on you man, I have found myself agreeing with your posts a lot more in the last few weeks then I ever have. But the whole ghost bad guy thing came from Az pretty much day 1.

That is why I've said for months now the only way to give this box a fresh start is Azrael has to go just like Nihilum did. I'm not even talking about cheating, RMT or any of that bs that BOTH guilds were plenty guilty of (just like any big guild in the history of gaming has been guilty of). I'm talking about the constant, annoying and ridiculous hatred people have carried for one and other that just wont go away.

Azrael was the flip side of the same coin as Nihilum. Just toss the coin out and lets move on.

[Malevz]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stasis its more people sticking around to kill instead of being an empty box.

We've given out 2 AoNs to non AIM chat members, which speaks for itself. It's not corrupt, its not evil, we will guild kick for RMT (seriously try offering it at a raid, yer fuckin' dead). We won't delete items in front of people if they haven't served out some 6th month sentence. We have very little in the guild bank as we give out a lot and I'm sure if the guild bank does over flow with things like bard drums and tash orbs that we won't with hold them from sale or at extremely reasonable prices. I mean how many SoW swords did Nizzar take for himself? 3? We all just got a front row seat to Gongshow giving up a robe of azure sky to Bazia because believe it or not that guy has put the fuckin' work in on his enchanter and showed up to help with almost everything. This greed, this corruption you all claim... is just buried under a mountain of selfless loot decisions all of which I think are unanimously agreed upon. It begs the question though, why do we have so many people on the side lines picking at our loot decisions? That's an easy question to answer, your minds are completely pixel infected and you'll train, kill steal etc to get it. I heard in guild chat about a group of 6 OOR Azraels kill stealing the pained soul from someone. You realize kill stealing, pvp or not, is against the rules? I'm sure you care infinitely more about critiquing where our next AoN goes and nothing about that.

As far as guild size? it's a Velious sized raid force for sure, and if you think it was "scary" in bronze or whatever, its starting to bathe in sweet slime blood and chicken bones. Sometimes we get 35 sometimes we get 60. These new guys aren't all some core that shows up on time every time for everything, we gotta cover the spread and we sure as hell gotta gear this many for Velious... like it or not. Have you taken a swing at Sontalak on the beta? Or just the dragons a shaman can solo?

We don't know if Holo will ever split, burn out due to another 3 years of waiting for Velious or what. What we DO know is its causing people to stick around here and at least get geared up to the point that they can split off and hold their own at least a little bit pvping like Free Agents could be doing.

Word on the street is Slamdunk and Eternal Light merged. We need more guilds like those guys. They don't go zone to zone trying to stomp lvl 56's with disciplines, they don't corpse camp, they don't make rage novels on the forums about pvp. I'm glad to hear they merged and hope it turns out well. Most of all I hope they recruit new players, help new players with class decisions based on their interests/guild needs and grow the population.

There's a bigger prize than anything on Phara Dar's loot table to be had, its a server with a healthy population, gentle sirs engaging in PvP around that clock and regular development to finish out some remaining issues. I'd delete every pixel I own or have access to for that. Seeing Aussie come back and the pop clawing at 220-250.... who woulda thunk it? A year ago no one could have predicted the staff finally being done with the Duke ignoring their direction/acting like he owned the place, Haynar coming out of the woodwork and taking an interest in our little forumquest community and hammering out pvp fixes that were DESPERATELY needed.

Hell Stacey, I guarantee that duelist backstabbing me and chasing me was more fun than you're ever going to have looting an item. When you're ready to bury the sperg hatchet over me being against variance I'm down. Variance is literally the worst thing ever and caters to the 24-7 unemployed player more than ANYTHING else. Not to mention it is a custom change, which is never a good thing.

Nirgon, I may be in love with you. Excellent post.

[Tassador]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stasis its more people sticking around to kill instead of being an empty box.

We've given out 2 AoNs to non AIM chat members, which speaks for itself. It's not corrupt, its not evil, we will guild kick for RMT (seriously try offering it at a raid, yer fuckin' dead). We won't delete items in front of people if they haven't served out some 6th month sentence. We have very little in the guild bank as we give out a lot and I'm sure if the guild bank does over flow with things like bard drums and tash orbs that we won't with hold them from sale or at extremely reasonable prices. I mean how many SoW swords did Nizzar take for himself? 3? We all just got a front row seat to Gongshow giving up a robe of azure sky to Bazia because believe it or not that guy has put the fuckin' work in on his enchanter and showed up to help with almost everything. This greed, this corruption you all claim... is just buried under a mountain of selfless loot decisions all of which I think are unanimously agreed upon. It begs the question though, why do we have so many people on the side lines picking at our loot decisions? That's an easy question to answer, your minds are completely pixel infected and you'll train, kill steal etc to get it. I heard in guild chat about a group of 6 OOR Azraels kill stealing the pained soul from someone. You realize kill stealing, pvp or not, is against the rules? I'm sure you care infinitely more about critiquing where our next AoN goes and nothing about that.

As far as guild size? it's a Velious sized raid force for sure, and if you think it was "scary" in bronze or whatever, its starting to bathe in sweet slime blood and chicken bones. Sometimes we get 35 sometimes we get 60. These new guys aren't all some core that shows up on time every time for everything, we gotta cover the spread and we sure as hell gotta gear this many for Velious... like it or not. Have you taken a swing at Sontalak on the beta? Or just the dragons a shaman can solo?

We don't know if Holo will ever split, burn out due to another 3 years of waiting for Velious or what. What we DO know is its causing people to stick around here and at least get geared up to the point that they can split off and hold their own at least a little bit pvping like Free Agents could be doing.

Word on the street is Slamdunk and Eternal Light merged. We need more guilds like those guys. They don't go zone to zone trying to stomp lvl 56's with disciplines, they don't corpse camp, they don't make rage novels on the forums about pvp. I'm glad to hear they merged and hope it turns out well. Most of all I hope they recruit new players, help new players with class decisions based on their interests/guild needs and grow the population.

There's a bigger prize than anything on Phara Dar's loot table to be had, its a server with a healthy population, gentle sirs engaging in PvP around that clock and regular development to finish out some remaining issues. I'd delete every pixel I own or have access to for that. Seeing Aussie come back and the pop clawing at 220-250.... who woulda thunk it? A year ago no one could have predicted the staff finally being done with the Duke ignoring their direction/acting like he owned the place, Haynar coming out of the woodwork and taking an interest in our little forumquest community and hammering out pvp fixes that were DESPERATELY needed.

Hell Stacey, I guarantee that duelist backstabbing me and chasing me was more fun than you're ever going to have looting an item. When you're ready to bury the sperg hatchet over me being against variance I'm down. Variance is literally the worst thing ever and caters to the 24-7 unemployed player more than ANYTHING else. Not to mention it is a custom change, which is never a good thing.

Immersion maxed after 15 billion post cool story bro.

[Crazycloud]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stasis its more people sticking around to kill instead of being an empty box.

We've given out 2 AoNs to non AIM chat members, which speaks for itself. It's not corrupt, its not evil, we will guild kick for RMT (seriously try offering it at a raid, yer fuckin' dead). We won't delete items in front of people if they haven't served out some 6th month sentence. We have very little in the guild bank as we give out a lot and I'm sure if the guild bank does over flow with things like bard drums and tash orbs that we won't with hold them from sale or at extremely reasonable prices. I mean how many SoW swords did Nizzar take for himself? 3? We all just got a front row seat to Gongshow giving up a robe of azure sky to Bazia because believe it or not that guy has put the fuckin' work in on his enchanter and showed up to help with almost everything. This greed, this corruption you all claim... is just buried under a mountain of selfless loot decisions all of which I think are unanimously agreed upon. It begs the question though, why do we have so many people on the side lines picking at our loot decisions? That's an easy question to answer, your minds are completely pixel infected and you'll train, kill steal etc to get it. I heard in guild chat about a group of 6 OOR Azraels kill stealing the pained soul from someone. You realize kill stealing, pvp or not, is against the rules? I'm sure you care infinitely more about critiquing where our next AoN goes and nothing about that.

As far as guild size? it's a Velious sized raid force for sure, and if you think it was "scary" in bronze or whatever, its starting to bathe in sweet slime blood and chicken bones. Sometimes we get 35 sometimes we get 60. These new guys aren't all some core that shows up on time every time for everything, we gotta cover the spread and we sure as hell gotta gear this many for Velious... like it or not. Have you taken a swing at Sontalak on the beta? Or just the dragons a shaman can solo?

We don't know if Holo will ever split, burn out due to another 3 years of waiting for Velious or what. What we DO know is its causing people to stick around here and at least get geared up to the point that they can split off and hold their own at least a little bit pvping like Free Agents could be doing.

Word on the street is Slamdunk and Eternal Light merged. We need more guilds like those guys. They don't go zone to zone trying to stomp lvl 56's with disciplines, they don't corpse camp, they don't make rage novels on the forums about pvp. I'm glad to hear they merged and hope it turns out well. Most of all I hope they recruit new players, help new players with class decisions based on their interests/guild needs and grow the population.

There's a bigger prize than anything on Phara Dar's loot table to be had, its a server with a healthy population, gentle sirs engaging in PvP around that clock and regular development to finish out some remaining issues. I'd delete every pixel I own or have access to for that. Seeing Aussie come back and the pop clawing at 220-250.... who woulda thunk it? A year ago no one could have predicted the staff finally being done with the Duke ignoring their direction/acting like he owned the place, Haynar coming out of the woodwork and taking an interest in our little forumquest community and hammering out pvp fixes that were DESPERATELY needed.

Hell Stacey, I guarantee that duelist backstabbing me and chasing me was more fun than you're ever going to have looting an item. When you're ready to bury the sperg hatchet over me being against variance I'm down. Variance is literally the worst thing ever and caters to the 24-7 unemployed player more than ANYTHING else. Not to mention it is a custom change, which is never a good thing.

Nirgon sum'd up Holocaust really well.

I also haven't been logging in much but I wasn't given an AoN and I'm part of the oldschool holocaust group. I didn't bitch and i agreed with with the decision

[Grimjaw]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stasis its more people sticking around to kill instead of being an empty box.

We've given out 2 AoNs to non AIM chat members, which speaks for itself. It's not corrupt, its not evil, we will guild kick for RMT (seriously try offering it at a raid, yer fuckin' dead). We won't delete items in front of people if they haven't served out some 6th month sentence. We have very little in the guild bank as we give out a lot and I'm sure if the guild bank does over flow with things like bard drums and tash orbs that we won't with hold them from sale or at extremely reasonable prices. I mean how many SoW swords did Nizzar take for himself? 3? We all just got a front row seat to Gongshow giving up a robe of azure sky to Bazia because believe it or not that guy has put the fuckin' work in on his enchanter and showed up to help with almost everything. This greed, this corruption you all claim... is just buried under a mountain of selfless loot decisions all of which I think are unanimously agreed upon. It begs the question though, why do we have so many people on the side lines picking at our loot decisions? That's an easy question to answer, your minds are completely pixel infected and you'll train, kill steal etc to get it. I heard in guild chat about a group of 6 OOR Azraels kill stealing the pained soul from someone. You realize kill stealing, pvp or not, is against the rules? I'm sure you care infinitely more about critiquing where our next AoN goes and nothing about that.

As far as guild size? it's a Velious sized raid force for sure, and if you think it was "scary" in bronze or whatever, its starting to bathe in sweet slime blood and chicken bones. Sometimes we get 35 sometimes we get 60. These new guys aren't all some core that shows up on time every time for everything, we gotta cover the spread and we sure as hell gotta gear this many for Velious... like it or not. Have you taken a swing at Sontalak on the beta? Or just the dragons a shaman can solo?

We don't know if Holo will ever split, burn out due to another 3 years of waiting for Velious or what. What we DO know is its causing people to stick around here and at least get geared up to the point that they can split off and hold their own at least a little bit pvping like Free Agents could be doing.

Word on the street is Slamdunk and Eternal Light merged. We need more guilds like those guys. They don't go zone to zone trying to stomp lvl 56's with disciplines, they don't corpse camp, they don't make rage novels on the forums about pvp. I'm glad to hear they merged and hope it turns out well. Most of all I hope they recruit new players, help new players with class decisions based on their interests/guild needs and grow the population.

There's a bigger prize than anything on Phara Dar's loot table to be had, its a server with a healthy population, gentle sirs engaging in PvP around that clock and regular development to finish out some remaining issues. I'd delete every pixel I own or have access to for that. Seeing Aussie come back and the pop clawing at 220-250.... who woulda thunk it? A year ago no one could have predicted the staff finally being done with the Duke ignoring their direction/acting like he owned the place, Haynar coming out of the woodwork and taking an interest in our little forumquest community and hammering out pvp fixes that were DESPERATELY needed.

Hell Stacey, I guarantee that duelist backstabbing me and chasing me was more fun than you're ever going to have looting an item. When you're ready to bury the sperg hatchet over me being against variance I'm down. Variance is literally the worst thing ever and caters to the 24-7 unemployed player more than ANYTHING else. Not to mention it is a custom change, which is never a good thing.

I came here to bear witness to the great wall of text

[kotton05]

Wow what a read

[Stasis01]

Holy fuck OK gona smoke one first but i'll give a serious honest answer to that Nirgon.