The Common Man's NToV Raid Rules Thread

[Rararboker]

That was at jbox, not maestrom.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by maestrom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let them. Let BDA sock Lendi. Let Rampage sock Aary. Let Asgard sock Doze. Let Forsaken sock Statue. Let all of them sock. While they're socking, Family of Stalwart Adventurers might get a shot at Talendor, or VS, or CT.

Everquest is a game of socking. If people are gonna do it anyways, design a system whereby the casuals can use it to claim the lowest priority targets without Uber_Alt_01 saying "FTE brah"

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[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Rararboker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sound like someone who has yet to experience the p99 raid scene. If it was that simple then we wouldnt be where we are right now. Run while you still can.

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[maestrom]

Originally Posted by Rararboker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sound like someone who has yet to experience the p99 raid scene. If it was that simple then we wouldnt be where we are right now. Run while you still can.

Hehe. I've said many times that I don't raid here. But the reason I don't raid is that I don't want to participate in the FTE-train grieffest.

I participate in the camp-money-loot sockfest. Doing a 16 hour sock doesn't bug me at all. That's what netflix, juggs, and fear respawns are for.

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by Rararboker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was at jbox, not maestrom.

Haha oops! I replied anyways.

[Rararboker]

Here is the problem with maestroms suggestion as a solution. Each guild has mains and alts. Mains get camped at one mob in window and alts get camped at other targets. Then you just need 1 tracker at each mob in window to alert people so they know which mob to log in at. Now 1 guild can sock multiple mobs. Your solution would only work if people only had 1 raid rdy character. And while people like me only have 1 raid character, some people have 6 or more.

[falkun]

How does FIF work for zones with multiple dragons? 5/6 in VP can be taken with <25, does a guild FIF all of them with 25? Or does GuildA FIF one with 25, GuildB FIF's another with 25, or GuildA FIF's two with 50? What if GuildA FIF's VP with 25 and Kael with another 30?

We play on a super stable server (thanks Rogean) with internet connections and computers that will never falter. AFKing and staying connected to the server indefinitely is a very real possibility. Do you implement "AFK checks" to FIF? How do you police that?

FIF is not feasible on this server, nor is it wanted by CSR. Training has a MASSIVE amount of precedence on this server in Hate, Fear, VP, etc. Sirken has ruled multiple times that parking on the ramp/just outside Maestro in Hate is stupid, you WILL get trained, and you cannot cry foul when (not if) it happens. Why did Forgard go "Tiananmen raid force" (thanks Juev) and is now crying foul?

Also, everyone claims this was "BDA's train", yet FTE was a Taken player. How are the additional FTEs by Chest and Relbaic any different than Elemant's? They were looking for Iki, they found him, he found them. Elemant is just an idiot mage that couldn't COH himself in time to clear aggro vs. Chest and Relbaic who could FD. Pullers on this server are provided ZERO rights WHEN (again, not if) they are trained. They are out in the thick of the zone pulling, they know and accept the risks. Elemant was not in camp, therefore he is a puller. Forgard needs to train their pullers better.

[JboxCSU]

Originally Posted by Rararboker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sound like someone who has yet to experience the p99 raid scene. If it was that simple then we wouldnt be where we are right now. Run while you still can.

I'll admit I'm not in the raid scene on p99...but the rule makes sense.

Your thought was people will spend insane hours camping a raid spawn. I get that. Let them. If they desperately want a statue/AoW kill, then they can camp the fuck out of it for days on end having a sizable force in zone to engage. If they want NToV that week, fine, have your guild sit there and claim it. But you give up everything else.

It helps solves this training shit, leap frogging, and mindlessly clicking on a mob that has a wide spawn window.

What am I missing? As I mentioned before, it's the uber guilds that get fucked because they can pretty much kill at will right now. The remainder of the population not in uber guilds benefit.

[Rararboker]

See my previous post for why that doesn't stop anything. In fact it actually is how things are handled currently. Doesn't stop the main guilds from getting all the targets.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by JboxCSU [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they want NToV that week, fine, have your guild sit there and claim it. But you give up everything else.

How? You just leave another FIF at another target. Guilds would react to this stimulus by growing in size to FIF multiple locations/mobs. Its already happening now. AssForTaken cannot muster 40+ in a pinch to kill raid mobs. So they team up as necessary to achieve the snap numbers necessary for a kill. If they had FIF rules, they could (probably would) combine to FIF multiple locations/mobs simultaneously. Rampage would divide and conquer by FIF-ing KT and NTOV at the same time. As a mob spawns they log out at one location, get the kill, then log back into the other to FIF again. A guild is provided a maybe 10min window to overwrite FIF. The only change? Now we batphone FIF pushes instead of mob spawns. Is the server healthier because 500 are AFK FIFing?