Aftermath eating a full 10 days raid suspension

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by Vorkon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When Dain spawns after a failed ring war, the instant you see the 'Zone Repopping' message you get like 20 people halfway through the castle by the time he actually respawns.

I've seen a number of guilds do this. It hasn't been a petitioned or an issue before. Rumble is probably the same type thing. Add in the fact you had a bunch of bro's already socking for Statue.

Gimp's a good dude who I would pop my collar with at a bar and hit on divorced women with.

Throughout the annuals of the P99 lexicon the raid scene has always been about 'Rules and Intent' the grey area's that exist will always be there, if you raid and something isn't spelled out to the letter, there is only so much Sirken can do with enforcement. While reactionary, the only thing you can really do is address things as they come up and try to change the rules for the next spawn.

I dunno who this is, but I'll bro out with you bro

[quido]

break out the duck tape and suffocate yourselves

[Swish]

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[Samoht]

Okay, you two idiots need to learn how to properly quote already.

[Cecily]

Spirit of the rules. We summon thee. Was what Aftermath did illegal?

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[Vorkon]

Guess people CotHing early because they were off a few seconds on the fail timers doesn't happen or raids moving to the Ice Bridge early before FTE occurs doesn't happen either?

You are fooling yourself if you don't think 'Letter of the Rule' violations occur on just about every failed ring war Dain repop. Or sitting there spam hailing Dain while you set the aggro/banish/summon table, seeing him run back into the castle then back to the raid followed by the 'stall' tells and ooc pissing contests.

We see this stuff all the time.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Vorkon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess people CotHing early because they were off a few seconds on the fail timers doesn't happen or raids moving to the Ice Bridge early before FTE occurs doesn't happen either?

You're not going to be able to excuse this infraction by listing previous infractions.

[Vorkon]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not going to be able to excuse this infraction by listing previous infractions.

I'm not. I think most guilds should probably be sitting on 2-3 infractions every time a Raid spawn happens, I don't think Hokushin and Detoxx were pal's by any means, but they seemed to work things out 90% of the time between each other.

A simple rule adjustment of only being to engage FTE'd 1 mob at a time or setting a 20 minute kill timer after FTE would alleviate some of this stuff.

There's basically 3 issues going on in this.

1) Aftermath getting FTE, bailing, then coming back while the timer was still running where no one else could engage the mob. Sirken still gave the mob to Aftermath and enforced the rules as stated. Simple rules tweaks mentioned above would fix.

2) How/when Gimpster got FTE. The outcome was Sirken enforcing the FTE and letting Aftermath have the mob.

3) Pint/Detoxx bringing up the raid rules about timers and how long guilds have to kill things before the raid summit, not having them addressed in any meaningful way, then going ahead and doing things how the rules are currently written.

My point is you see people doing all sorts of infractions of raids that never seem to amount to anything. I'm sure those ripping on Aftermath have already got petitions going and their supporting evidence posted, but we won't find out for a while what punishment gets dolled out.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Vorkon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not.

Right. So you are:

Originally Posted by Vorkon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point is you see people doing all sorts of infractions of raids that never seem to amount to anything.

[Vorkon]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right. So you are:

I guarantee you next week they'll be a bunch of petitions going out against all raiding guilds again. So I don't see how I am excusing anyone's behavior. I addressed the Gimp thing, I addressed the Aftermath leaving thing, I addressed what a shit show raiding is.

I merely posted because you can read through this thread and see that people expected the latest guild summit thing and rule changes to fix things. My first post in this thread was about how given the nature of p99 raiding its the same stuff over and over again.

I happen to be cool with Gimp so I think that bugs our local RnF dwellers. I'm not raiding and havent been for about 3 weeks, so if Aftermath eats a 10day suspension over this I would expect every infraction that guilds accrue to start eating suspensions as well. Things in the past that guild leaders would work out between themselves aren't going to be talked about and its right to petition quest as there is no reason to work things out as its easier to just get your competition suspended.