Iksar Shaman - Solo Challenges?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Tann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Same goes for necros and what they can solo, ain't nothing an iksar necro can solo that the other races can't.

Just just fax ma'am

Yet most players agree Iksar Necros are better, because people understand the standard definition of Min/Max. You wouldn't see such a wide consensus if the definition of Min/Max was "whatever I want it to be".

This is why the attempt to redefine Min/Max in this debate is nonsensical. People will just use the default Min/Max definition in another thread without realizing it.

[fortior]

Ogres biggest benefit is the absurd stats you get at classic launch letting you melee super hard as a shaman, FSI is like a good to have but it’s never going to save you unless you intentionally put yourself in overly risky positions. If I had zero race bias I would go troll or barb because once you are 60 with torpor you have already won and barbarians earn dkp at the same rate as ogres and iksar

[Troxx]

Ever thought of proof-reading your posts before submitting?

I swear you edit most of your posts multiple times most of the time.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ever thought of proof-reading your posts before submitting?

I swear you edit most of your posts multiple times most of the time.

When you can't win an argument with logic and facts, resort to more nonsense posting. One day you will realize these irrelevant posts are just wasting everybody's time.

I always find it amusing, when you lose an argument completely, you have to resort to fake medical diagnoses to try and save face. Nobody cares that you are pretending to be a doctor online.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He is the poster child for a “concrete thinker”

I always find this strange. You are the person who claims that unless they see a video of someone playing in a group, you cannot possibly provide DPS data for a class in a group. You have to see the most concrete evidence possible to believe it.

You are the one unable to use a video of solo DPS and extrapolate it into a group scenario. That is an example of abstract thinking. I wouldn't be able to do this if I was what you were describing.

You can't even make fake medical diagnoses correctly. It seems more of a projection about yourself.

[Troxx]

You are the person who claims that unless they see a video of someone playing in a group, you cannot possibly provide DPS data for a class in a group

lol what? No man, that is literally you describing you. You’re the one who refuses to trust reputable parsing programs and are obsessive about seeing and posting “video proof” or clogging up threads with “raw logs”

Is this real life?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol what? No man, that is literally you describing you. You’re the one who refuses to trust reputable parsing programs and are obsessive about seeing and posting “video proof” or clogging up threads with “raw logs”

Is this real life?

Are you suggesting that a basic understanding of evidence quality translates to someone being an autistic "concrete thinker"?

That is like claiming a detective who uses the murder weapon as evidence is an autistic "concrete thinker", because said detective understands that some evidence is better than others.

I am blow away by this nonsensical thought. I really hope you are just trolling right now, for your own mental sake.

[Snaggles]

Literally at 60 any regen race gets 3x more hps a tick. Canni IV takes 2.5 seconds to cast and converts 55% of that back to mana. It’s a class full of expensive single target buffs, debuffs, and dots. Even the pet is horribly expensive to summon.

Here is something quantified.

100hrs of being 60 at 95% health (refreshing buffs or otherwise actively doing stuff)
6,000 minutes
60,000 server ticks
480,000 hps
Or…
264,000 extra mana without sitting once


But this is a ridiculous premise because nobody here would ever play a level 60 for 100 hours. Right?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Literally at 60 any regen race gets 3x more hps a tick. Canni IV takes 2.5 seconds to cast and converts 55% of that back to mana. It’s a class full of expensive single target buffs, debuffs, and dots. Even the pet is horribly expensive to summon.

Here is something quantified.

100hrs of being 60 at 95% health (refreshing buffs or otherwise actively doing stuff)
6,000 minutes
60,000 server ticks
480,000 hps
Or…
264,000 extra mana without sitting once


But this is a ridiculous premise because nobody here would ever play a level 60 for 100 hours. Right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq39ybDWx-k - Example of raid buffing. A Troll/Iksar saves 1k HP, or 30 seconds of recovery, before getting back to 100% HP/Mana. You are not regenerating at 100% HP/Mana.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZxMlJSCDc - Example of Torporing. It takes 3 minutes or less to get from low HP/Mana to 100% HP/Mana. You are not regenerating at 100% HP/Mana.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEgFcImQ9XU - Example of a long fight where you are never at 100% HP. A Troll/Iksar gains around 1k HP as well, since it takes 12 minutes to get the WW Dragon running. This is saving 30 seconds of recovery, before getting back to 100% HP/Mana. You are not regenerating at 100% HP/Mana.

This is the disconnect. You do not seem to understand that a Torpor Shaman no longer relies on passive regeneration for recovery. Active regeneration (Torpor) is what you are using for recovery.

Running around at 80% HP in extremely dangerous zones like West Wastes to try and utilize racial Regeneration is just asking to get killed.

Your raid is not going to appreciate that you are at 80% HP and not at full mana when they need you to spot heal a tough fight.

This is all very simple stuff if you have played a Torpor Shaman before. You are basically assuming a Torpor Shaman is playing like a non-Torpor Shaman, which doesn't make sense.

[Snaggles]

A. Free mana is free mana
B. I never said 80%. Thanks for the Strawman
C. Most raids would also dislike you trying out FSI instead of slowing stuff properly
D. I’ve had a torp shaman for years.

Fun to watch you disagree with a calculator. Mark of a truly rational mind.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A. Free mana is free mana
B. I never said 80%. Thanks for the Strawman
C. Most raids would also dislike you trying out FSI instead of slowing stuff properly
D. I’ve had a torp shaman for years.

Fun to watch you disagree with a calculator. Mark of a truly rational mind.

A. FSI also provides free mana. Not having your slow interrupted saves hundreds of HP from an unslowed mob hitting you in the face. Added bonus, you are less likely to die from not having said slow interrupted.
B. I didn't say you said 80%, it is just an example. Please stop making up nonsense when you cannot win the debate. If you are at 95% HP when running through a long zone, an Ogre will also be at 100% HP by the time you reach your destination. If you want to make use of Regen during downtime like running, you'd need a decent chunk of your HP to be missing. Remember Shamans can cast Regrowth on themselves.
C. Using https://wiki.project1999.com/Di%60zok_Oracle_Shillelagh to slow mobs is a proper raid technique that has been around for years.
D. Sounds like you still have a lot to learn!