Lord Nagafen & Lady Vox status (post 52 restriction)

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Duie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So Which one is it?

Both, read the rules:

Q: What classifies a mob as "Engaged"?
A: A mob is classified as engaged as long as it has aggro on at least one player.

Q: Can we camp raid mobs?
A: If you choose to lay a claim to an unspawned raid npc, your raid must be at the npc's spawn point with sufficient force. (within aggro range of the npc when it spawns, with at least a 15 member raid party). e.g. (inside Nagafen's Lair) This is the ONLY way claims of unspawned raid targets will be respected.

[Zenlina]

Yes we all know those rules are pretty out dated and stupid, but the real rules that most follow is to respect the other raids party if they are there first in force. Even though this isnt official rules, its what i believe most go by.

And if you are going to say stuff like TMO does this and that, i think it generally applies to TR only because we have to play at there shifty level to even the odds.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

by out competing you mean sitting in front of a computer longer than the other guys, right?

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ITT: Terrible guilds and their players defend sitting on spawnpoints as a "tactic" rather than the pathetic bullshit that it really is.

It must be opposites day, because Slathar and Harrison did in a sentence each what no one else could do in 6+ pages of this mess.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by heelyaz89 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I prolly shouldn't get into this, but back in the "classic" everquest days it was not considered cool to come up and gank a mob that someone else had just spent all the time clearing to. This would have gotten you a one way ticket to server-wide disdain.

You don't already see the server-wide disdain here?

Originally Posted by Treats

Jesus fucking christ. What guild DOES NOT have to worry about TR is doing when their mindset is to get the loots at all costs no matter what the situation. You just said it yourself. You sniped Draco from BDA/Divinty. That isn't competiton, thats completely fucked up.

So you kill him and offer the loot to them because "you don't need it." I suppose you can pat yourselves on the back for this. The thought of "Hey lets give these guys a shot at Draco/CT tonight, they will probably drop loot we don't really need anyway. They never really get a chance to kill any of the more difficult raid encounters here because we always beat them, but they beat us here tonight so lets just go" does not even cross any of your minds. Not even for one split fucking second.

(bolded the part that would be nice on this server from that guild, but probably just a pipe dream)

[Lostprophets]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So yea, pretty sure that counts as Taken blatantly KSing TR.

Well, since you guys turned a server chat thread into a shit storm, I will add my Two Cents in here too.

How can a guild KS when you have 4 people, count it FOUR people in zone as we move up to engage? once our 29 was in aggro range and getting feared (not dying mind you) with your four people that's when the rest of your force started to run up past us. That right there makes me want to pull out and dust off the old (out-dated) First 15 card on y'all, or even say that you guys attempted to KS US and Failed, failed hard at that.

I was there, I got feared right away on my level 51 alt and saw all of your straggling members running in from the ramp leading to the room with 4 FG's in it after we cleared the FGs. As for the 4 that wanted to play the cool kids and try to leapfrog us, that's no where near raid force, let alone having a full guild engaged...that's just down right Douchebaggary.


Another thing I'm wondering now is, after getting confirmation from fraps if we ONLY linked the loot in /gu how does Swarws know literally at the same exact time what dropped and say give the bag up or we'll mark as "KS"? I can only imagine some things but I'm not going to get into that and stoop to your level.

Anyway, I got a feeling your all just mad Taken is getting targets now and beat you to something, so you're trying to chalk up the matter and try to switch the tables and say we're the bad guys..? I don't think so.

Put away the tin foil hats, come back to reality and accept your loss like big kids.

Better luck next time.

- Lostprophets

[Ring]

Originally Posted by Lostprophets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, since you guys turned a server chat thread into a shit storm, I will add my Two Cents in here too.

How can a guild KS when you have 4 people, count it FOUR people in zone as we move up to engage? once our 29 was in aggro range and getting feared (not dying mind you) with your four people that's when the rest of your force started to run up past us. That right there makes me want to pull out and dust off the old (out-dated) First 15 card on y'all, or even say that you guys attempted to KS US and Failed, failed hard at that.

I was there, I got feared right away on my level 51 alt and saw all of your straggling members running in from the ramp leading to the room with 4 FG's in it after we cleared the FGs. As for the 4 that wanted to play the cool kids and try to leapfrog us, that's no where near raid force, let alone having a full guild engaged...that's just down right Douchebaggary.


Another thing I'm wondering now is, after getting confirmation from fraps if we ONLY linked the loot in /gu how does Swarws know literally at the same exact time what dropped and say give the bag up or we'll mark as "KS"? I can only imagine some things but I'm not going to get into that and stoop to your level.

Anyway, I got a feeling your all just mad Taken is getting targets now and beat you to something, so you're trying to chalk up the matter and try to switch the tables and say we're the bad guys..? I don't think so.

Put away the tin foil hats, come back to reality and accept your loss like big kids.

Better luck next time.

- Lostprophets

Be a better a lawyer. First 15 only works on mobs that haven't spawned. It's first to engage on anything that's already up.

Q: Can we camp raid mobs?
A: If you choose to lay a claim to an unspawned raid npc, your raid must be at the npc's spawn point with sufficient force. (within aggro range of the npc when it spawns, with at least a 15 member raid party). e.g. (inside Nagafen's Lair) This is the ONLY way claims of unspawned raid targets will be respected.

You were camping inside Naggy's lair on his spawn point with 15 when he spawned?

Feel free to reference this thread for any questions / concerns
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14667

I would suggest they petition FTE and get your loot just because everyone in your guild is so ignorant on how the rules work. Teach you a lesson about trying to run with the big boys, you know??

[Lostprophets]

Whomever you are Ring, I'm not trying to Lawyer anyone.

Let me dumb it down for you...I'm straight up saying TR is a bunch of Leapfrogging dick bags and failed at Leapfrogging for once. (I was trying to be nice about it though.)

You can't engage a target with 4 people, no matter what mob it is. Lets see someone Engage Trak with 4 and how far it will get.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Ring [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Teach you a lesson about trying to run with the big boys, you know??

No need to call TR fat. Let's keep it civil.

[arsenalpow]

So let me repeat what I said before, I watched slydexx and oblexis chain cast on Naggy, not just help clear out fire giants, chain cast on Nagafen and not get banished. Is this just considered "not working as intended" or is it blatant exploitation of a known bug?

[Skope]

Leapfrogging is also against the rules, fyi. If you're clearing the FGs on the way to naggy's spawn and he's up and another guild walks right by you to get to him there's probably no clearer instance of leapfrogging. Vox's lair is different because you can sneak your way thru with lev so there's technically 2 ways right to her room but with nag's it's only one.