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[leewong]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Junk DNA is a term that was used by scientists who were content with ascribing uselessness to a large portion of the code found in DNA. Why is this significant? Well as Dembski put it:"Implicit in this term is the view that because the genome of an organism has been cobbled together through a long, undirected evolutionary process, the genome is a patchwork of which only limited portions are essential to the organism. Thus on an evolutionary view we expect a lot of useless DNA."
Can't be a lot more self explanatory than that.
As to your comment on mutations, what am I supposed to answer? You used terms that clearly indicated an intelligent mind acting on natural selection and I called you out on it.

Why then do we find useless portions of DNA? Did god put them there to fool us? The linked article stated 10% of the junk DNA was found to have a purpose. What about the other 90%? Why is it there? I know why but do you?

'You used terms that clearly indicated an intelligent mind acting on natural selection and I called you out on it."

You didnt call shit out. Answer the question. Here it is again for you:

"Mutation bad...animal die. Mutation good...animal survive better. How does that process require a mind to govern it?"

So tell me...what mind governs that process? I want evidence to support your answer not a dismissal or dodge.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, is G13 Lumie?

I figure someone here is.

Its not naez? Pretty sure it's naez. I mean its the same shit post trolling he always does in regards to this.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why then do we find useless portions of DNA? Did god put them there to fool us? The linked article stated 10% of the junk DNA was found to have a purpose. What about the other 90%? Why is it there? I know why but do you?

'You used terms that clearly indicated an intelligent mind acting on natural selection and I called you out on it."

You didnt call shit out. Answer the question. Here it is again for you:

"Mutation bad...animal die. Mutation good...animal survive better. How does that process require a mind to govern it?"

So tell me...what mind governs that process? I want evidence to support your answer not a dismissal or dodge.

The point is that instead of saying "there is a large portion of DNA that we have not found a purpose for yet", they were content to call it junk DNA and build evolutionary models around that. Yes there is still a large portion of DNA that is considered junk, but if it was left at that how would you ever find out whether or not it actually has a use. Assuming design forces you to look for the ultimate level of function and purpose in that junk DNA.

You're right that doesn't require a mind to govern it. It also isn't the current explanation of mutation causing any sort of meaningful change in living things. You're use of that explanation, and every other use if the explanation I have read, calls for an intelligence in selecting and discarding certain amounts of genetic information. Information that the organism isn't privy to.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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"Assuming design forces you to look for the ultimate level of function and purpose in that junk DNA. "

Highlighted that for you. Science is not based on assumption. You have to put up or shut up.

"You're right that doesn't require a mind to govern it. It also isn't the current explanation of mutation causing any sort of meaningful change in living things."

It is the current explanation. Beneficial mutations are selected for and bad mutations are selected against. This is exactly what evolution claims and has claimed even before we knew what a gene was.

"Evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations." - Wikipedia

What changes? Traits. Why? Mutations and environmental selection. No god required. End of argument.

[leewong]

Here is an exercise for both Glenzig and RobotElvis or any other creationist:

Think of an experiment that would prove life or the universe was created by a creator. Not a thought experiment, not an assertion based off of an assumption, an honest to goodness scientific experiment that uses the scientific method. Think real hard about it. I am not even asking you to post it here. Just think about it.

[iruinedyourday]

Could you imagine if you read this much documentation written by people who weren't just idiots that played EQ?

you guys might be smart enough in that scenario, to not just be idiots that play eq.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Could you imagine if you read this much documentation written by people who weren't just idiots that played EQ?

you guys might be smart enough in that scenario, to not just be idiots that play eq.

Havent logged in my account in some time now. Hence why I havent finished updating and releasing my custom UIs: Shameless plug :O

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Havent logged in my account in some time now. Hence why I havent finished updating and releasing my custom UIs: Shameless plug :O

haha! what a surprise, the person that contributes and makes life better for strangers, is not a creationist.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

haha! what a surprise, the person that contributes and makes life better for strangers, is not a creationist.

Lol, I wouldnt go that far :P I get joy from creating UIs and mods for games. Been creating them since quake 2 and it has been rewarding. I would list a few of my other mods/UIs here but I wouldnt want some of the folks here shitting up my message boards and such.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think I might try this UI tonight. Looks pretty dang slick.

You are using a godless heathens UI, Glenzig :P