Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because the shaman won't be able to enact that DPS in a group killing situation, you nincompoop.

You need to prove this, and you haven't so far.

[Gloomlord]

Just to reiterate what Pls is saying:

The data and math you make is irrelevant if it discounts other environments.

Even a child could figure this out!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to reiterate what Pls is saying:

The data and math you make is irrelevant if it discounts other environments.

Even a child could figure this out!

The problem is you are overestimating the effects of grouping. If a group is DPSing 20% slower due to pull speeds, that affects both the Shaman and Mage equally. You need to define the situations in which you think that may not be the case.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to reiterate what Pls is saying:

The data and math you make is irrelevant if it discounts other environments.

Even a child could figure this out!

It's so fucking frustrating trying to converse with (I assume an adult?) that doesn't seem to grasp the most fucking basic of concepts and so stubbornly insists they are correct when they are VERY CLEARLY making a flawed argument at best.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is you are overestimating the effects of grouping. If a group is DPSing 20% slower due to pull speeds, that affects both the Shaman and Mage equally. You need to define the situations in which you think that may not be the case.

[PlsNoBan]

Maybe DSM isn't an adult. I guess we could've been arguing with a child this whole time. That would explain a lot.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A mob with 8000 HP is dying in 80 seconds if you deal 100 DPS, regardless of whether it is solo DPS or group DPS.

You have stated this, but you have not proven it. Just because you (repeatedly) state something doesn't make it true. It has to actually be true hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is you are overestimating the effects of grouping.

You have provided zero evidence that others are overestimating the effects of grouping. The problem is you are underestimating the effects of grouping. I present this thread (and specifically the posts that you have ignored, misunderstood, or [intentionally or otherwise] misconstrued your true understanding of) as evidence that this has been pointed out to you multiple times by multiple people.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a group is DPSing 20% slower due to pull speeds, that affects both the Shaman and Mage equally.

You have provided zero evidence that pull speeds affect both a Shaman and Mage equally.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to define the situations in which you think that may not be the case.

You need to define the situations in which you think that may be the case. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[PlsNoBan]

Do you know what the term "burden of proof" means DSM? As I understand it (please correct me if I'm wrong) the burden of proof generally lies with the person making a claim. The commonly accepted stance is that mages do considerably more damage than shamans in groups. DSM you are making a claim that is opposite of the vast majority of players belief. You may in fact be correct. However, the burden of proof lies solely with you. Your "proof" of your claim revolves around data you gathered from a solo encounter and is not applicable to the question at hand. If you wish to go gather some data under similar conditions as what is being discussed here then come back and present it. We could all take a look for ourselves and evaluate it and determine if you have a point or not. As it stands you have made an outlandish claim and provided questionable at best evidence for it. You have stubbornly repeated the same handful of talking points probably close to 700? times now. It wasn't convincing then and it isn't convincing now. If you're truly interested in making your case and having an honest discussion then it falls on your shoulders to provide actual evidence. No more of this napkin math theoretical bullshit. That's not how real testing works. Go get some real evidence and come talk to us. Maybe you'll be right and we'll all have to apologize and admit defeat. I'm guessing that's not going to be the case and I think a HUGE part of the reason you're unwilling to gather that data is because you know it won't go in your favor. But I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt and take an honest look at data that is relevant to the discussion.

Until then you're doing nothing but feeding trolls and copy pasting nonsense. You're basically just a troll right now.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I do understand burden of proof just fine. You are the one making the claim that my data is invalid because solo and group DPS differ significantly. I am not making that claim at all. It is up to you to prove solo DPS and group DPS differ to the point where my data is invalid.

You also need to provide evidence to support your claim my math is not applicable to the real game, which is why you refer to it as "napkin math". I am not sure how you can even do that. If you regenerate 20 mana per tick (6 seconds), you factually will recieve 200 mana per minute, unless you stand up or reach maximum mana. I am not sure where the room for doubt is there.

I have provided more data than all the posters combined. It is not my responsibility to gather your data too lol.