Luclin models...a poll

[ojamajoe]

I don't know where people are getting their difinitions of "classic" from; but I would point out that by the time Luclin launched Verant / SOE were explicitly labeling the original game "Classic Everquest". This is the only consistent definiton I can see, and by this definition Luclin models are obviously not "classic".

This is hardly an arbitrary definition of classic, as it is the original designers'. It has been noted numerous times since prior to launch by all the people working on this project that this would be a classic / kunark / velious server. None of these expansions include the Luclin graphics, and it is therefore well within the stated goals of this project to exclude them.

It is my understanding that there is a work-around available for those who cannot live without them, but in the end this server reflects the vision of 'classic', 'kunark', and 'velious' which those who work on it have. This is fair, and if you have a different vision of 'classic' there is absolutely nothing (aside from the insane amount of work it takes) stopping you from creating your own server and sharing it with us as well.

Zathael
of the Lodge of the Dead of Neriak.
Gentleman, Scholar, Bane of the Light.

[yaeger]

I don't understand, if you don't like the ogre or half elf models you can uncheck the luclin model in options. It's fully customizable to whatever YOU want.

Why not have the option?

"I don't like apple pie, so NO ONE ELSE WILL HAVE ANY EITHER!"

Slightly ridiculous opinion.

[Sarkov]

No, YOU'RE a ridiculous opinion.

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Anyway, I don't think its outrageous to want to have full control over how others perceive my toon. I chose to have him appear a certain way, and I'll be damned if other people can check a box and have him look like a malformed half-retarded demi-ape because that's what some coked out character modeller thought barbarians should look like when Luclin shipped.

And since we're asking for non-classic things on this classic server, can I have Ssra temple too? I kinda enjoyed that zone. (do you see how stupid this is yet?)

[zianlo1]

Rasterburn fur prez! Hey, make that injector program for me to use *some* luclin models....Cuz luclin iksar models look queer, the whole change to their swimming animation, srsly, wtf?

[Rasterburn]

Originally Posted by zianlo1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rasterburn fur prez! Hey, make that injector program for me to use *some* luclin models....Cuz luclin iksar models look queer, the whole change to their swimming animation, srsly, wtf?

Well the point is this: if the Luclin models were enabled, then you could select which models you want and which you do not want, just by going into the Options screen. And that way, everybody is happy.

[Kutter]

Originally Posted by Rasterburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well the point is this: if the Luclin models were enabled, then you could select which models you want and which you do not want, just by going into the Options screen. And that way, everybody is happy.

The only "injector program" this guy has is a daily rendezvous with his Real Doll.

Still waiting, chief. I may even say something nice about you if you post it.

[Tysus]

Originally Posted by Rasterburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well the point is this: if the Luclin models were enabled, then you could select which models you want and which you do not want, just by going into the Options screen. And that way, everybody is happy.

This, DO WANT THIS.

[fwaits]

Whatever the devs decide is fine with me, but it seems odd that the whole point of this server is to re-create the game in it's entirety as it was in that time frame (Classic through Velious) to the best of their ability and then add an option that was not available during that time. That being said I liked some of the Luclin models, but they came out with Luclin, which will never see the light of day here.

[Rasterburn]

Originally Posted by fwaits [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the whole point of this server is to re-create the game in it's entirety as it was in that time frame (Classic through Velious) to the best of their ability and then add an option that was not available during that time.

We're already seeing some very significant options which were not available at that time, by virtue of the fact that we're using a 2005 client. Updated and improved ground textures, UI features, etc. The whole "if it wasn't there in 1999, then I don't want it" stance is already moot because of this fact.

Notice that nobody is complaining about having an in-game compass, or improved chat features, or a more logical UI arrangement, or nicer looking zones and buildings. I find that glaring lack of consistency in their attitudes to be rather hypocritical.

And I am further amused by the people who in one post say things like "It's just a cosmetic difference and hence it is unimportant." And then in another post, that same person will say "I want everyone else to see the same character on my screen as I do." Well, wait a minute... if cosmetic differences are "unimportant," then why is there such a concern over what everyone else sees when they look at your toon..? And if cosmetic differences are "unimportant," then why do you care whether or not other players can have the character models that they prefer..? Again... we see irrational and dictatorial hypocrisy from the status quo.

What we are REALLY seeing in this thread is a lot of "I want everyone else to think, see and do things exactly the same way that I do." Uh huh. So much for individuality. Let's all be single-minded, group-thinking sheeple together. No thanks.

Originally Posted by Sarkov [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And lets not forget the most important point...THEY ARE NOT CLASSIC.

Luclin is every bit as "classic" as Kunark and Velious. Same exact dev team, same exact era, same pre-SOE rule set.

[Sarkov]

Not really... in fact you are making an excellent point in favor of not ever allowing anything the devs can control that wasnt there in classic EQ: people will see one minor deviation and start mentally justifying major leaps of discontinuity.

For my part, if we could completely remove everything that wasnt there in the classic experience, I would be 100% in favor. I suspect you would see a similar majority as you see in this poll in favor of the classic experience on every issue, no matter how small.

Do not confuse policy with technical possibility.