The official RMTer Goodbye P1999 Thread

[weezilla]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, you wanna get all "basic economics" on us, do you?

Fair enough.

Removing the sellers more quickly probably would help keep relatively innocent people out of this stuff. As everyone keeps saying, a lot of people from classic have jobs and families now and it's quite tempting to buy at least a little plat. If sellers know bans are happening routinely, they may be less likely to attempt to enter the p1999 market.

I think the more courteous thing to do would be to handle punishment a little more organically. You bought 10k? Let me delete 10k from your account, or a 10k item... Obviously this wouldn't work for every case, but at least then some people would be allowed to go on contributing to p1999 population.

It's crappy there's such a strict perma-ban policy on this. The damage has been done by the time the transactions are over (especially for such a delayed ban wave). Give a few of the less-guilty parties their accounts back and they'll know not to do it again, and also warn their friends not to participate in that stuff.

[Daysprung]

Originally Posted by weezilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the more courteous thing to do would be to handle punishment a little more organically. You bought 10k? Let me delete 10k from your account, or a 10k item... Obviously this wouldn't work for every case, but at least then some people would be allowed to go on contributing to p1999 population.

It's crappy there's such a strict perma-ban policy on this. The damage has been done by the time the transactions are over (especially for such a delayed ban wave). Give a few of the less-guilty parties their accounts back and they'll know not to do it again, and also warn their friends not to participate in that stuff.

I wish this was a possibility too...I offered to poof the things I bought but we don't make the rules here. I can understand that they want to make a point it just sucks to be on the receiving end [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[casdegere]

Originally Posted by Daysprung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you figure? The server was doing just fine back when it was allowed.

Really? People and guilds who want access to content are being blocked by people who are going in for MQing the same stuff 5x, 10x more. How is that 'just fine'? What you all are charging for that stuff is direct result of people who RMT and PAY for that stuff in such a fashion. There are some people with the plat to buy but not the average person. Without a market, people will move on, period.

Originally Posted by weezilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Removing the sellers more quickly probably would help keep relatively innocent people out of this stuff. As everyone keeps saying, a lot of people from classic have jobs and families now and it's quite tempting to buy at least a little plat. If sellers know bans are happening routinely, they may be less likely to attempt to enter the p1999 market.

I think the more courteous thing to do would be to handle punishment a little more organically. You bought 10k? Let me delete 10k from your account, or a 10k item... Obviously this wouldn't work for every case, but at least then some people would be allowed to go on contributing to p1999 population.

It's crappy there's such a strict perma-ban policy on this. The damage has been done by the time the transactions are over (especially for such a delayed ban wave). Give a few of the less-guilty parties their accounts back and they'll know not to do it again, and also warn their friends not to participate in that stuff.

It is not crappy. It is in the EULA and has been in the rules as long as the server has been going. The time and energy it would take to accomplish what you propose is absurdly large. In fact I find your entire post here absurd. Alot of items and Plat are now gone forever and the server is better for it.

[weezilla]

Originally Posted by casdegere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is not crappy. It is in the EULA and has been in the rules as long as the server has been going. The time and energy it would take to accomplish what you propose is absurdly large. In fact I find your entire post here absurd. Alot of items and Plat are now gone forever and the server is better for it.

People screw up, and to lose days of work on a hobby sucks. I was nicked for something trivial I was unkowingly involved in (about 2k from my friend) and somehow I think that a couple minutes of someone's time is worth salvaging at least several thousand minutes of my time. I know someone will say it, we play for free. Well when you're essentially the arbiter of people's time like this, I think there's an obligation to make efforts not to destroy people's time investment when they were marginally involved.

Plat and items are going to compound over time on the server. Tracking known sellers over long periods of time and not providing a remedy fairly quickly may get more items/plat removed, but also fuels the market to farm/camp more for those sellers and assures them they can get their money. Albeit I'm making the assumption that they tracked sellers for a while before banning them, but given the availability of plat online, that seems to be the case.

tldr: Banning sellers more quickly, and working with individuals banned would be more appropriate.

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by moneysee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The moral indignation in these threads are hilarious. You're all playing on a reverse-engineered server! A company spent a lot of time and effort into making this game and you're getting all of this for free! So everyone playing this game is a "dirty whistle" as one fellow likes to repeatedly say. To the others who are just flabbergasted that people would pay money to get an edge or have more fun in a game are either naive or stupid. Take a basic economics course. Most problems come with two solutions, you can spend time or money. If I have more money than time then I will probably take advantage of this and do whatever I can to have more fun with the limited play time that I have.

It's not so cut and dried. Sony lost the legal battle against Bleem's emulators, remember. It would depend on how much EQEmu is like Winter's Roar, who lost their fight. Retrofitting programs to work with the Sony client is not so wrong.

[moneysee]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not so cut and dried. Sony lost the legal battle against Bleem's emulators, remember. It would depend on how much EQEmu is like Winter's Roar, who lost their fight. Retrofitting programs to work with the Sony client is not so wrong.

Things rarely are with the law. I honestly don't think they care either. I think we can safely say it's a legal grey area though.

[thefloydian]

Originally Posted by moneysee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The moral indignation in these threads are hilarious. You're all playing on a reverse-engineered server! A company spent a lot of time and effort into making this game and you're getting all of this for free! So everyone playing this game is a "dirty whistle" as one fellow likes to repeatedly say. To the others who are just flabbergasted that people would pay money to get an edge or have more fun in a game are either naive or stupid. Take a basic economics course. Most problems come with two solutions, you can spend time or money. If I have more money than time then I will probably take advantage of this and do whatever I can to have more fun with the limited play time that I have.

Yes, it's against the rules, but it was questionable how well this was being enforced (this is not the case anymore). When I bought plat there were multiple websites selling every item in the game as well as large amounts of platinum. To a newbie this sent the message that RMT were being paid lip service rather than being strictly enforced. The only people who really suffered were the buyers. The sellers made all of their money and probably knew the ban was eventually coming.

Anyways, I'm kind of relieved that I was banned. I could feel myself getting sucked back into the Evercrack, a true testament to the work of the staff. Oh and to all the moral high grounders yes I know I'm a complete scumbag and everything I've done in my lifeless is worthless, and you're correct in assuming that my parents never loved me.

Dumbest post in a thread full of stupidity. Congrats! Sony doesn't even have the code for a classic EQ server anymore, this server isn't stepping on their toes - they even know about it. And Project 1999 is run by a small staff with limited time/resources. There is RMT in huge games like WoW that employ hundreds of people. Pretending that RMT was implicitly tolerated by the admins because there were many avenues to do it is ridiculous. But you already knew that. Good riddance.

[QuasiGnome]

RMT does affect others. Sellers can send their prices through the roof when folks walk in throwing their new coin around. Trying to save up for these items legitimately gets harder and harder as the prices continue to rise. The community is better when currency is as stable as possible.

And they should really stop with the "I don't have time to earn my own plats because family and job and responsibility" stuff.

I've Known plenty of folks that RMT'd over the years that I've played (EQLive and others) and they all had one thing in common, they were entitled and impatient. Didn't matter if they played a lot or a little, they want what they want, and they want it now.

Patience is a virtue. Just enjoy the journey, getting there is half the fun. But I'm sure they've heard that a thousand times and just don't buy it.

[Lune]

It's so entertaining reading the half-baked, fringe BS you people come up with to try and reconcile your scummy behavior with right and wrong.

B-b-but other people do bad things, so it's not bad when I do them too!

I'll give you a hint to help you sort out all these emotions: RMT harms the integrity of the server.

[Red_Psyphon]

Spitty speaking the truth