Freedom From Atheism Foundation

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The balls on this one. Read your own statement then get back to us.

"language is the house of being" mein freund

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good for you. I'm not here to judge.

You were here to judge my beliefs about the origin of the universe, though? You sound pretty confident that I'm wrong.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Shamalam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You were here to judge my beliefs about the origin of the universe, though? You sound pretty confident that I'm wrong.

That's not a judgment on you. Its just a fact that you were wrong. Nothing personal. We're all wrong quite often. Don't take it so hard.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Versch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would you not credit that to something more along the lines of probability and statistics then? Considering what we know about our world and the sheer vastness of the universe, probability would say that other worlds like ours must exist.

I have no qualms with the idea of a supreme being, but I do take issue with humans believing that it would solely watch our world and treat our species special. That's some seriously egotistic line of thinking.

i don't think it can be attributed to statistics, no. statistically speaking, the ultimate variable is what percentage of planets life can develop on. since we're the only one we know of, any estimation is based on guesswork that earth is not extraordinary. we may be extraordinary, we may not be. until we find life on another planet, we really can't implement any kind of statistical model. it's all just belief.

as for the notion that a deity is interested in our world exclusively, i don't know if that's necessarily a fundamental tenet of religion. i'll have to admit that i'm not particularly well-versed in the scripture of every major religion, but i don't know of any verses that specify earth as a deity's sole interest. that seems like a bit of a straw man argument to me. these scriptures were all written upwards of 1400 years ago. even if you concede that the deity is real and the scripture is his divine communication with man, the vocabulary didn't even exist to describe things like extraterrestrials to people of 2000 years ago

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not a judgment on you. Its just a fact that you were wrong. Nothing personal. We're all wrong quite often. Don't take it so hard.

You keep using this word, "fact." I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Rhuma7]

I'll be the crazy person to first suggest the human species was planted on earth by other worldly people.
We know the universe is gigantic and is measured in light years rather than days... to think An advanced species sent their biological future in search of habitable planets to continue advancement isnt that crazy.

Its far less expensive in resources to send a few reproducing animals to many different ends of the universe than a uss enterprise to one destination, considering the odds of failure.

its not too far fetched to believe the human species wasn't originally from earth considering our surrounding species and vastly advanced molecular structure.

Lol

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Rhuma7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll be the crazy person to first suggest the human species was planted on earth by other worldly people.
We know the universe is gigantic and is measured in light years rather than days... to think An advanced species sent their biological future in search of habitable planets to continue advancement isnt that crazy.

Its far less expensive in resources to send a few reproducing animals to many different ends of the universe than a uss enterprise to one destination, considering the odds of failure.

its not too far fetched to believe the human species wasn't originally from earth considering our surrounding species and vastly advanced molecular structure.

Lol

Yeah. No. That's extremely far fetched and hinges on what we don't or can't k ow rather than what we do know. So no.

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by Rhuma7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll be the crazy person to first suggest the human species was planted on earth by other worldly people.
We know the universe is gigantic and is measured in light years rather than days... to think An advanced species sent their biological future in search of habitable planets to continue advancement isnt that crazy.

Its far less expensive in resources to send a few reproducing animals to many different ends of the universe than a uss enterprise to one destination, considering the odds of failure.

its not too far fetched to believe the human species wasn't originally from earth considering our surrounding species and vastly advanced molecular structure.

Lol

Totally. There is exactly as much evidence supporting this theory as there is supporting the theory of an omnipotent, omnibenevolent god ruling over us all. I like it.

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah. No. That's extremely far fetched and hinges on what we don't or can't k ow rather than what we do know. So no.

Who are you to judge? What makes your theory better than his? Still waiting on some evidence either way.

[Rhuma7]

I mean if we really wanted to put people on a one way trip to the ends of the universe we could do it, even with todays propulsion systems. It just wouldn't be those peoples lifetimes.

A few genetically modified plants that produce 2x the oxygen as the carbon Dioxide it intakes to sustain a biome in which the vessels inhabitants could breath indefinitely with genetically modified plants that produce food faster than the inhabitants could eat combined with a way of recycling water/urine(totally out of my comfort zone on this one) to remain hydrated. Within a monstrous amount of time, without the passengers killing themselves before the destination, we could colonize a planet in another "goldilocks" zone and set themselves up to have this same conversation about god and the creation of the universe in another billion years.

^ yup lol