Awakened Banned 10 days

[bktroost]

That being said, i do definitely understand that sometimes things dont get communicated down to every member in time. It IS a game. I get that. But if you plant the weed and spend a year growing it illegally you can't get upset because you didn't get rid of it before the cop showed up.

If you do something super crooked for a long period of time there's really little to no sympathy necessary when you get smacked for it.

I wish all communications about hard set rules were posted on raid forums but I don't have the authority to be the mouthpiece of Sirken. I'm not a GM. He seems okay with me asking about clarifications and I'm happy to privately share those with guild leaders but i cannot speak publicly for him unless he tells me i can, a.k.a. like i asked about permission to post that screenshot I shared earlier.

[Tycoon]

Are you a timid little bitch or do you just sound like one?

[nectarprime]

Originally Posted by Tycoon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you a timid little bitch or do you just sound like one?

Are you a retarded internet tough guy or do you just sound like one?

[nectarprime]

Originally Posted by Bigmoneybabybaby [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Confirmed Nectarprime is a timid little bitch and takes offense to other timid little bitches being called out for being timid little bitches. Mad bro?

no I'm laughing at the neckbeard permavigins who are acting like tough guys

[nectarprime]

Originally Posted by Bigmoneybabybaby [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait. How do you know where our tough guy dicks have been. Now you're just making assumptions.

damn an you are spamming f5 so hard. nice meltdown

[Prismaticshop]

Erati is a nice guy

but his guild cheats

should join another guild imo

[khanable]

soooo nemce you do realize we've all been talking about a suspension for an event that occurred on 12/19 right? and you've been stating both guilds knew it was illegal but didn't give a time frame for that until now, ya?

Originally Posted by Prismaticshop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Erati is a nice guy

but his guild cheats

should join another guild imo

he got mixed up with that devils lettuce and now he runs with the wrong crowd

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

soooo nemce you do realize we've all been talking about a suspension for an event that occurred on 12/19 right?

Huh. That's interesting. I didn't realize this was from 12/19. As I said, I have no idea what conversations have gone on before hand. I'm actually coming in really late to this party because until this month I had no idea what alt tab jumping is. I just found out that both guilds admitted it was illegal in a skype chat and then went to Sirken to say "Is this illegal?" and they said "yes." I know that AW publiclly said they wouldn't do it anymore and Detoxx privately told the guild leaders that they won't be doing it.

Then someone got suspended. Didn't realize it was a suspension from before that conversation. But I do see that both those guilds acknowledged in skype that they've been doing it since VP wars in Kunark and knew then that it was illegal.

IDK, I'm a casual noob with a TV screen to the inside of the elephant graveyard. Lots of bones in here. Lots of skeletons in these closets. It's a scary place.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh. That's interesting. I didn't realize this was from 12/19. As I said, I have no idea what conversations have gone on before hand. I'm actually coming in really late to this party because until this month I had no idea what alt tab jumping is. I just found out that both guilds admitted it was illegal in a skype chat and then went to Sirken to say "Is this illegal?" and they said "yes." I know that AW publiclly said they wouldn't do it anymore and Detoxx privately told the guild leaders that they won't be doing it.

Then someone got suspended. Didn't realize it was a suspension from before that conversation. But I do see that both those guilds acknowledged in skype that they've been doing it since VP wars in Kunark and knew then that it was illegal.

IDK, I'm a casual noob with a TV screen to the inside of the elephant graveyard. Lots of bones in here. Lots of skeletons in these closets. It's a scary place.

Most people had levitate in VP when they ran. You could skip a few areas with levitate. If jumping was used at all it would have only been in certain dragon Hallways. But levitate gave you a much bigger advantage than jumping in VP.

[mefdinkins]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh. That's interesting. I didn't realize this was from 12/19. As I said, I have no idea what conversations have gone on before hand. I'm actually coming in really late to this party because until this month I had no idea what alt tab jumping is.

So, this person doesn't even know what "alt tabbing" is and they're somehow the authority on the legality of this?

Hjial was 100% transparent about alt+tabbing, he publicly posted videos and helped level the playing field by sharing his strategies and paths. Within this thread there's already posts of AM alt tabbing as well and now all of AM's video suddenly go private? Hjial didn't post one video which later led to a two Vulak concession and AM threw a fit, where are their videos? I stood on the Kael FTE line while CSR dt'ed people who had their feet across the starting line and listened to Hjial (AW) and Detoxx (AM) openly talk about alt tab running. I have to respect Hjial for being honest about this and forthcoming.

The race on 12/19 that led to this suspension is not a case of "everyone is doping (illegal) and Lance Armstrong is an asshole so some high achievers also feel they need to take steroids." It's "wow Golden State is making 46% of their three pointers (not illegal), we need to start taking more 3 pointers." Now that the staff has spoken I respect that it's a rule, however, I just don't see how this is punishable.

I have to give props to the rules lawyers who got this suspension. It's tough to keep up with raid rules as it is and ex post facto rules are just impossible to comply with! Ex post facto laws are laws that punish as a crime an act previously committed, which was innocent when done. These laws are expressly prohibited in the United States Constitution because many of the Founders regarded retroactive laws, both civil and criminal, as contrary to the principle of legality itself.