How do I report a named kill steal?

[Zipity]

Using this logic I think a lot of People at STormfeather are about to be so mad when I FTE it bc they didn’t kill the previous PHer or gnomes under the tree!

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Zipity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using this logic I think a lot of People at STormfeather are about to be so mad when I FTE it bc they didn’t kill the previous PHer or gnomes under the tree!

I'm pretty sure most people acquire storm feather camp through the list hand over system.

[GnomeCaptain]

What a bunch of baseless, shallow, specious sophistry.

FTE?

Killing Axe or the previous Hadden?

Baseless idiocy. This was a clear ks.

It's like some people just want to argue.

[Zill]

Any time I want to come back to P1999 I just come read threads like these.

Thank you all for sacrificing your positions on the human dominance hierarchy to show me the right way

[Jimjam]

Its a discussion forum. An argument is a coherent series of statements, using opinion derived from evidence to support a position. Forum is being used as intended.

For what it's worth, I agree cycling Axe to secure Hadden would be rediculous, but I think the same of killing Brother Jentry to secure Lucan. It was a flippant suggestion.

[Zal22]

STFU Jimjam

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Zal22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

STFU Jimjam

That's rather rude.

There are three mechanics by which you can acquire a camp; killing PHers, clearing the room if there isn't a ph or inheriting it through a hand off.

I'm sorry if my position is so upsetting to you it causes you to lose your composure.

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

Originally Posted by GnomeCaptain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a bunch of baseless, shallow, specious sophistry.

FTE?

Killing Axe or the previous Hadden?

Baseless idiocy. This was a clear ks.

It's like some people just want to argue.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see the problem. The mob is unclaimed until a ph is killed

That's the problem. By your logic, you are not allowed to kill the PH, because it's not your's. By your logic, the only camps that are your's are the ones in which you've killed the previous PH. That translates into no camps, ever, because you can never kill the first mob of a camp (PH or not) to start the cycle because you can never have killed the mob before it.

Now of course obviously the cycle has to start somewhere, and it has to be possible to claim a camp without magically having killed the PH before claiming the camp. Camp claims start when someone claims an unclaimed spawn point. The rules do not say that you need to kill a PH to claim a camp. Hell, they don't even say you need to be next to Hadden's spawn point:

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp' ... You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it.

This is not rocket science. If Bob is waiting for Hadden and no one else is, Bob has that camp, even though Bob didn't kill the PH. If Fred shows up and takes Hadden from Bob by out-DPSing, that is a kill steal, plain and simple.

[Jimjam]

I don't believe my arguments lead to the conclusion that one can only kill mobs one already is camping.

My arguments only cover how one secures the exclusive right to camp amob (kill ph, clear room or inherit via list/hand off).

As I've already stated, if no one has done any of these actions the mob is uncamped and FTE. The camp rules exist to prevent kill stealing; you don't need camp rights to kill a mob, you just can't kill a mob to which another player has camp rights.

'First come first served' doesn't seem to be a legislated rule. Perhaps this thread will change that. It's certainly a rule I choose to play by. I don't always have the means to check if another player has secured their camp by any of the 3 paths previously mentioned (cycling ph/room or list hand off) and I don't want to risk KSing another players legitimate camp just because I suspect that they may be faking their claim to it.

Edit: and thanks for entertaining my position in a courteous manner, Loramin. You truly are a gentleman.