The People vs. Nirgon. Charges: Illiteracy, Obstruction of Justice, Cowardice.

[-TK-]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alright, we can revert to civil. I think your "arguments" are severely lacking and harebrained.

You are doing the very thing of which you are accusing me - insisting that one meaning is more valid than another and should be implied. I did no such thing and merely pointed out the meaning of the word as it pertained to our guild's name. The word holocaust has been used in writing in this context both before and after the holocaust. There was no anti-Semitic or pro-genocide nonsense in the guild except for from a single person who was culled.

I'm not sure what you're going on about. Why do some people always assume the worst possible context despite plenty of evidence to the contrary? It couldn't be because of some internal malfunction, right?

This.

Honestly, Tilien, you're coming across as someone that refuses to really look at the situation you're dealing with. Look at the context of the situation. We're here talking about a PVP game server. I mean, I wasn't in the guild, but when I saw the name, I immediately thought, okay, troll guild, but when I thought about what the word literally meant I thought, damn, what good name for a PVP guild and moved on with life. Then, add to that the fact that there was multiple recorded instances of people being disciplined/removed for making references to The Holocaust, and what more is there to argue about? Being able to process that knee-jerk reaction, and reason it out afterward is part of being an adult that unfortunately not enough people choose to embrace. This then leads to a conversation about feelings, which can almost never be won by either side.

On the flip side of the argument, I think that by naming the guild Holocaust and sparking these conversations, those fine men and women on Red weren't being edgy or insensitive. In fact, I think they provided a great service to history and the preservation of the memory of those terrible events. According to WaPo (yeah, I can Google, too), 2/3 of Millennials don't know what Auschwitz is and 22% have never heard of The Holocaust. There's people reading these threads that have thus Googled and learned more about it than they otherwise would know. For that I say, kudos, and carry on.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by -TK- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think that by naming the guild Holocaust and sparking these conversations, those fine men and women on Red weren't being edgy or insensitive. In fact, I think they provided a great service to history and the preservation of the memory of those terrible events.

This is delicious.

[Skarne]

Originally Posted by -TK- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This.

Honestly, Tilien, you're coming across as someone that refuses to really look at the situation you're dealing with. Look at the context of the situation. We're here talking about a PVP game server. I mean, I wasn't in the guild, but when I saw the name, I immediately thought, okay, troll guild, but when I thought about what the word literally meant I thought, damn, what good name for a PVP guild and moved on with life. Then, add to that the fact that there was multiple recorded instances of people being disciplined/removed for making references to The Holocaust, and what more is there to argue about? Being able to process that knee-jerk reaction, and reason it out afterward is part of being an adult that unfortunately not enough people choose to embrace. This then leads to a conversation about feelings, which can almost never be won by either side.

On the flip side of the argument, I think that by naming the guild Holocaust and sparking these conversations, those fine men and women on Red weren't being edgy or insensitive. In fact, I think they provided a great service to history and the preservation of the memory of those terrible events. According to WaPo (yeah, I can Google, too), 2/3 of Millennials don't know what Auschwitz is and 22% have never heard of The Holocaust. There's people reading these threads that have thus Googled and learned more about it than they otherwise would know. For that I say, kudos, and carry on.

Logic is on this man’s side.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Skarne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Logic is on this man’s side.

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[Tilien]

Originally Posted by -TK- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This.

Honestly, Tilien, you're coming across as someone that refuses to really look at the situation you're dealing with. Look at the context of the situation. We're here talking about a PVP game server. I mean, I wasn't in the guild, but when I saw the name, I immediately thought, okay, troll guild, but when I thought about what the word literally meant I thought, damn, what good name for a PVP guild and moved on with life. Then, add to that the fact that there was multiple recorded instances of people being disciplined/removed for making references to The Holocaust, and what more is there to argue about? Being able to process that knee-jerk reaction, and reason it out afterward is part of being an adult that unfortunately not enough people choose to embrace. This then leads to a conversation about feelings, which can almost never be won by either side.

On the flip side of the argument, I think that by naming the guild Holocaust and sparking these conversations, those fine men and women on Red weren't being edgy or insensitive. In fact, I think they provided a great service to history and the preservation of the memory of those terrible events. According to WaPo (yeah, I can Google, too), 2/3 of Millennials don't know what Auschwitz is and 22% have never heard of The Holocaust. There's people reading these threads that have thus Googled and learned more about it than they otherwise would know. For that I say, kudos, and carry on.

I even said in my last post that if I was there and seen them remove people for making jokes I'd be more inclined to believe their explanation and let it go.

That being said there seems to be some overlap DMO which has made a few trolls based around race and naming... like Nigron making the claim that "Modo" is an Egyptian name/word that means "the way" (It's not, and based on the definition he uses he's using a Latin-derived meaning for the word) and makes me more inclined to believe they were trolling back then. If there are recorded instances rather than one group of people saying "they made jokes" and the other saying "those people were removed" and someone pointed to some evidence one way or the other that would probably change my mind. But you know... trolls now were probably trolls then. I'm not saying they're genocidal just... wanna be edge-lords?

I guess that's the context thing.

[Tilien]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you made an assumption that was incorrect and now it's their fault and they have to prove something to you? Lol get over yourself man

Listen man, I hope you're having a great day. Stay gay, man.

[Smellybuttface]

As an aside to the current argument, Nirgon spelled backwards is Nogrin.

Nogrin, according to the Elf Dictionary, means "excellent, conspicuous."

https://www.elfdict.com/w/nogrin

Note: I was looking up "elf dick" and mistakenly came across this site.

[Wonkie]

DMO is the guy that flags pvp then cries when you attack him

[Horza]

DMO is the guy that only plays Sagat then cries when you beat him.

[Smellybuttface]

DMO is the gal that says you're nice, but is disgusted when you expose yourself to her.