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[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because they haven't been around for the last 18 months because they were enjoying our communities new fresh classic server, doesn't mean that they are not part of our community.

That's exactly what it means! They willingly left to go play on another server, which is totally fine. But "haven't been around in the last 18 months" doesn't exactly add up to "am an active member of the community." 18 months is kind of a long time. (query: if you were in AM, and didn't attend a raid for 18 months, were you still in AM, or did you get removed for inactivity? Were you still allowed to spend DKP, or did you need to maintain a R.A. over a certain percentage?)

I otherwise agree with the rest of your comment, mostly. If they are around and have a legitimate sustained presence on blue, then cool please join us in the community events, for the community of which you are a part! Showing up just to spite everyone else doesn't inspire a ton of good will, however.

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's exactly what it means! They willingly left to go play on another server, which is totally fine. But "haven't been around in the last 18 months" doesn't exactly add up to "am an active member of the community." 18 months is kind of a long time. (query: if you were in AM, and didn't attend a raid for 18 months, were you still in AM, or did you get removed for inactivity? Were you still allowed to spend DKP, or did you need to maintain a R.A. over a certain percentage?)

I otherwise agree with the rest of your comment, mostly. If they are around and have a legitimate sustained presence on blue, then cool please join us in the community events, for the community of which you are a part! Showing up just to spite everyone else doesn't inspire a ton of good will, however.

It shouldn't matter how long/why they haven't been active on Blue. You're talking about raid leaders who have been here since the <TMO> days and beyond. On top of that, 99% of their raiders would immediately be invited into ANY top raid guild on blue if they wished to do so individually. Which leads back in to "removing for inactivity"..

If Franswa, who is kind of the grandfather of Riot, wanted to come back and do a <Core> style guild where 30-40 of his peoples competed for some mobs, i'd argue the same for his guild entering the draft.

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It shouldn't matter how long/why they haven't been active on Blue. You're talking about raid leaders who have been here since the <TMO> days and beyond. On top of that, 99% of their raiders would immediately be invited into ANY top raid guild on blue if they wished to do so individually. Which leads back in to "removing for inactivity"..

If Franswa, who is kind of the grandfather of Riot, wanted to come back and do a <Core> style guild where 30-40 of his peoples competed for some mobs, i'd argue the same for his guild entering the draft.

If people that haven't been around in years want to come back, by all means. If they all come back and are invited to blue guilds, cool! If they want to start a new blue guild, also great! But it's ridiculous to assert, after being absent for a year or more, that you are an active member of the community and should be able to benefit from events established for that community. Can they re-join the blue community if they want to? Of course. Have they done that, yet? No, they have not. Galach's comment from the 1st draft was that GM's don't want alt-guilds and guilds that exist just for the draft. That's exactly what Seal Team is right now. Doesn't mean that's what they'll be in the future, but it is the present reality.

If they really want to have a sustained presence on blue, that'll bear itself out over time.

[Arvan]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look if you want to talk about the blue community.... you're talking about players who spent over a decade on it. Just because they haven't been around for the last 18 months because they were enjoying our communities new fresh classic server, doesn't mean that they are not part of our community. Many of those players in <Seal Team> helped theorycraft raid strategies we use to this day on Blue.

Phatez said some trolly shit, but i'm sure that's because how dismissive everyone was about it right off the bat.

Now, i'm not saying 1 vindi = serpentine draft entry, i'd like to see them attempt to compete/kill a mob once or twice a week. But outright dismissal due to their focus on the green server is wrong in my elf law opinion.

0 seal team online all day yesterday and today, I'll keep you in the loop!

[Daloon]

I just dont like the cocky vibes that Kittens give out lately.

You are meant to be the "better half" of the community, and here you are shitting it all up once again. We need either a new Kittens or new leadership ASAP to fix the branding.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Daloon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just dont like the cocky vibes that Kittens give out lately.

You are meant to be the "better half" of the community, and here you are shitting it all up once again. We need either a new Kittens or new leadership ASAP to fix the branding.

Yeah don't you kittens know there's only 1 guild that's allowed to be cocky and shit it up everywhere?! Kittens trying to dethrone Freedom wonders will never cease. Then again kittens does have more solo raid kills than freedom so maybe this was bound to happen.

[druidbob]

Do a /all seal on Blue right now, zero players online. Same thing yesterday. They logged on to kill vindi, again to kill naggy, and haven't been seen since. They have no intention of actually playing on Blue. That's not an active guild, that's a snipe crew. We see it, and so do the GMs.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by druidbob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do a /all seal on Blue right now, zero players online. Same thing yesterday. They logged on to kill vindi, again to kill naggy, and haven't been seen since. They have no intention of actually playing on Blue. That's not an active guild, that's a snipe crew. We see it, and so do the GMs.

I was posting this same thing after noticing it. Very odd.

[Nirgon]

All of my characters are level 60 and raid ready. I don't need more alts on the overfarmed beta. In fact, I have a 60 of every class. We are interested in testing mobs on the beta, it is that simple. Any "trolling" is due to us responding to how absolutely ridiculous your claims are, or continuing to move goal posts that shouldn't exist to begin with.

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All of my characters are level 60 and raid ready. I don't need more alts on the overfarmed beta. In fact, I have a 60 of every class. We are interested in testing mobs on the beta, it is that simple. Any "trolling" is due to us responding to how absolutely ridiculous your claims are, or continuing to move goal posts that shouldn't exist to begin with.

Lol you guys showed up in October when FRAG and Riot were banned, and the unbanned guilds that had worked out things between themselves were reasonably accommodating, if I recall.

Asking on 12/31/20, like 12 hours before the first draft took place, to also enter is 100% trolling. The way you're going about it now is trolling. It is plainly obvious. You can tell by the way that it is.

If you want to test mobs, then set up a test server.