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08-21-2022, 04:53 PM
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Bear in mind that things get weird when you combine fights. Actual dps levels for everyone involved (scaled or otherwise) are below actual real time values parsed. I have highlighted myself and my 60 water pet unfocused. Xeff: high level sk well geared; engaged first always Grandmaster: 60 monk with tunare's fist of tunare and priceless velium wraps 15/20 Konober and Kekab: epic mage pet from another epic. I can only guess he didn't mask it or keep it hasted like it should have been. Comparatively Ailowen + unfocused 60 water pet is the highlighted above. See the monk's time engaged and you can see why he was below the SK and lower than me to such a degree; he spent a lot of time not engaged. What you can see is that mage dps is very good. This parse undervalues on the combine by a good 30% as my parse system is not perfect.
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#182
08-21-2022, 05:15 PM
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Looking at the data I am confused about how you said you were out-DPSing a Charmed pet in a previous post. The Krup Knight did 86 DPS, you did 79 DPS when combining the pet and your nuking. Even if you want to say a heavy nuking session can temporarily out-DPS the 86 DPS, that isn't going to be all the time, and if you Charmed a better pet in a different zone, they would have even higher DPS. To be clear, the Monk is out-DPSing your pet. If his engage time was higher, his DPS would be higher too. Considering Nukes take mana, you are going to have med time, so your actual DPS isn't going to be a consistent 40 all the time. It will depend on the fight. How much down time do you take for medding due to Nukes? I don't think anyone has disputed Epic Mage pet does more DPS. The unfortunate thing is it's pretty rare to find Epic Mages, so in most cases you aren't going to have one in your group. That is why I am not really counting that in this discussion. But let's say you are an Epic Mage. That puts your DPS at 104 if we use Kabekab instead. I parsed a Rogue in Sebilis today, we were duoing. He was doing 133 DPS roughly, just with Rogue Epic and a good offhand, forgot which one exactly. As I said before, my Shaman can do 34 DPS per target just with two DoTs. If I was applying 3 DoTs to two mobs in a fight, I would be at 96 DPS consistently. With pet I would be at 107 DPS. I don't see anything special here that makes Mages amazing. Their pet gets out-DPSed by player classes and Charmed Pets. When they Nuke they can double their DPS, but that is mana dependent. A Shaman or Necromancer could certainly out-DPS a Mage over a long play session with their DoTs and having better mana recovery.
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#183
08-21-2022, 05:58 PM
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Like i said it gets weird combining parses. They are really far off the mark. I could cherry pick individual fights but thats not fair. I have fights over 180dps and some under 80dps. Just trying to be honest.
ACTUAL DPS depends a lot on the player and if they are paying attention. What i can say is most of the time ench pet when on target won by far. A few times i beat it.
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08-21-2022, 06:00 PM
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#185
08-21-2022, 06:17 PM
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what do you want? single parses showing amaze balls or sustained parses of a 60 group geared mage out-dpsing a monk with tunares fist and 15/20 offhand? I'm confused. The numbers fuck up with combined parses but the relative value compared to known variables (ie a raid geared monk) still stands.
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08-21-2022, 06:17 PM
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Cause i can cherry pick 200dps parses if thats what you want but it doesnt reflect what to expect from a mage.
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08-21-2022, 06:18 PM
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As you said, DPS is heavily dependent on a lot of factors, so we need to keep it simple.
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#188
08-21-2022, 06:21 PM
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Do a fight where all you use is your pet, you just need to calculate how many seconds it took to kill the mob vs. their max life. Then do a fight where you nuke as well. Tell us how much mana you spent so we can see how often you can nuke.
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#189
08-21-2022, 06:39 PM
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like you said how often i can nuke is math ...
It's not rocket surgery lol
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08-21-2022, 06:40 PM
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