Questioning GM Decisions

[G13]

Originally Posted by booter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not ignoring anyone.

Really? Then why did you try to make this into TR vs IB? The only thing I care about are the rules. Either they mean something or they don't. You are a part of this community just as I am. Do the rules matter to you? If you're competing against a rival guild and they are hacking and taking mobs from you, how would that make you feel? Are you going to just "suck it up and keep quiet"?

I'm not defending anyone aside from Rogean/Nilbog. I haven't even explicitly stated whether or not I think the bans should be permanent because I am undecided. Again, you're generalizing and seeing things you want to see. You are under the assumption that everyone in TR wants to welcome Perun back, which is certainly not that case.

Why is the door even open for him to come back? I would like nothing more than Rogean to make an announcement which states the following:

"After further review, we will be permanently banning all accounts that were caught using 3rd party hacks. In the special circumstance where an officer/raid leader of a raiding guild was caught using this program during competitive raids, we will also be raid suspending the offending guild for a period of 2 weeks."

People are acting like this would be outrageous. That's how far in the gutter this server has been dragged through by this mess. It was a critical mistake not to perma ban these accounts.

Thank you. Maybe you'll re-read what he said and stay on track instead of turning this thread into a crusade. (Hint: he says to make a new post for that, and use the proper channels)

If you mean by a crusade for development to be consistent and enforce the rules they put in place, than you're welcome. We wouldn't even be having this disagreement if Perun wasn't caught hacking. Actions have consequences. Instead of attacking everyone else, why aren't you blaming him? Instead your guild is accepting him back. Will plvl him with AOE groups, and fully fund his account with guild bank stash.

Are you telling me you're ok with that?

[Enygmad]

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Koota (known hacker/showeq user, caught using hacks to benefit his guild in a raid environment) was unbanned, and welcomed back into Durison's guild. Just sayin'.

Love,

Sworen

[G13]

Originally Posted by Enygmad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Koota (known hacker/showeq user, caught using hacks to benefit his guild in a raid environment) was unbanned, and welcomed back into Durison's guild. Just sayin'.

Love,

Sworen

Why should I care? His account should have been permanently banned and if I was in that guild at the time I would have disbanded immediately. I was never in Fusion or Ascension. Nether was Divinity, Mischief, Reclamation, Taken, or the rest of the community.

Rules > your assumption that guilds are above the rules because your friends are in them. Don't project that fault onto me. You own it. I don't really understand what you are trying to justify exactly? That people shouldn't judge TR for allowing hackers back into their guild? Really?

Nice try though

[Enygmad]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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This picture > your assumption that anyone, least of all the owners of this project, gives two shits about your opinion.

How many times have you been suspended on P99 Bronson? You're hardly a shining example of someone who upholds the rules.

Sworen

[G13]

Originally Posted by Enygmad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This picture > your assumption that anyone, least of all the owners of this project, gives two shits about your opinion.

How many times have you been suspended on P99 Bronson? You're hardly a shining example of someone who upholds the rules.

Sworen

If you have evidence that I've been banned/suspended for cheating/using 3rd party programs, by all means post the evidence, otherwise your accusations are baseless.

I'll say it one last time. I don't care about the top tier raiding guilds. I care about 3rd party hacks being used on the server and the proper punishment being levied against the accounts that use them.

If you don't care about that, if you believe that a double standard is perfectly fine because the devs don't give a shit about our opinions, then that's on you. You own it. I believe that the devs do care about our opinions, which is why I'm hoping they will take them under consideration and make these bans permanent, as well as raid suspending any guild whose leadership as caught using SEQ during a competitive raid.

You're the one who brought up Koota. Not me. You're the one that was guilded with him in Fusion and Ascension.

[Envious]

Deleting legit posts isnt going to help~

So stop deleting my fucking posts.

Restating, I agree with Searyx. From like page 1 or 2.

[booter]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? Then why did you try to make this into TR vs IB?

Almost all of your posts have had something about TR not being suspended like TMO was. I have been actively trying to keep this thread AWAY from TR/TMO and on track.

Originally Posted by G13

Why is the door even open for him to come back?

Not my call?

Originally Posted by G13

It was a critical mistake not to perma ban these accounts.

Your opinion. Rogean/Nilbog disagree.

Originally Posted by G13

Actions have consequences. Instead of attacking everyone else, why aren't you blaming him? Instead your guild is accepting him back. Will plvl him with AOE groups, and fully fund his account with guild bank stash.

I'm not attacking anyone here, just pointing out generalizations and assumptions, and trying to keep the thread on track. This thread isn't to discuss one specific guild/person, it is to discuss the way in which you go about bringing that information to the staff. Also lol at all that extra fluff you throw in at the end about funding him with "guild bank stash". Your credibility erodes with every post like that.

[G13]

Originally Posted by booter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Almost all of your posts have had something about TR not being suspended like TMO was. I have been actively trying to keep this thread AWAY from TR/TMO and on track.

You're mistaken. TR wasn't suspended the way DA was. This is an important distinction. TMO officers were not caught cheating like your raid leader was, therefore I have no opinion on TMO.

Not my call?

Why is the door open for him to come back?

Your opinion. Rogean/Nilbog disagree.

Time will tell

I'm not attacking anyone here, just pointing out generalizations and assumptions, and trying to keep the thread on track. This thread isn't to discuss one specific guild/person, it is to discuss the way in which you go about bringing that information to the staff. Also lol at all that extra fluff you throw in at the end about funding him with "guild bank stash". Your credibility erodes with every post like that.

I'm not assuming anything, nor am I attacking anyone. I'm rightly pointing out that your raid leader was suspended for using a 3rd party hack, and judging from past precedent, your guild should be raid suspended for a minimum of 2 weeks. The fact of the matter is, Perun will be accepted back, plvled back to 60 as quickly as possible, and his account will suffer no long term consequences for his actions. So who's really suffering a credibility gap?

[Stibe]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're mistaken. TR wasn't suspended the way DA was. This is an important distinction. TMO officers were not caught cheating like your raid leader was, therefore I have no opinion on TMO.




Why is the door open for him to come back?



Time will tell



I'm not assuming anything, nor am I attacking anyone. I'm rightly pointing out that your raid leader was suspended for using a 3rd party hack, and judging from past precedent, your guild should be raid suspended for a minimum of 2 weeks. The fact of the matter is, Perun will be accepted back, plvled back to 60 as quickly as possible, and his account will suffer no long term consequences for his actions. So who's really suffering a credibility gap?

Perhaps instead of pushing you personal opinion on the people who built, run, and maintain the server, your response should be "Well, I dont like this, im going to leave."

[Enygmad]

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Sworen