the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's almost like when you constantly insist that somebody is predisposed to shatter like glass at the slightest criticism, they behave that way. Even when your intent was to defend them.

Which is why when it comes to this discussion I generally defer to the opinions of trans people who acknowledge that guys with cocks shouldn't swim against ladies, nor change in their locker rooms. Because they understand that even though they lead a hard life, so do other people, and you can't trample on the rights of one demographic to advance another's. That's like basic 'merica stuff.

I thought they were teaching stuff like "it's ok to be a boy or girl if that is how you feel".

Is that not it?

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would be very surprised if suicide was mentioned at all K-3, but you're the expert.

You don’t have to be an expert to hear the Dem politicians, news pundits, and adults on social media CONSTANTLY saying that this or that fault of society is “costing trans kids lives”

It doesn’t take a genius kid to understand what they mean. By about age 8 I’ve heard kids have a concept of killing themselves. They may not understand the permanence of the action yet, but they understand the concept

If you want to retreat back to “I was only referring to very little kids who have no concept of suicide” as some sort of safe position to take, that’s fine. It’s still a terrible idea to saturate media and the internet with the concept that suicidality is the leverage ANY kid, whether trans or not, has for control of their environment and what the adults are doing

Maybe years down the road and over many kid deaths we’ll realize this. Maybe not. We still saturate the news with the faces and stories of serial killers and mass murders playing into their motivations, there’s a lot of lessons we haven’t learned due to our own stupidity or desire for clicks/money

[Rethalis]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once again, I’ve already explained it. Not going to do it a million different ways because you can’t grasp it

To my knowledge we have made no reduction on trans or even LBGT suicide rates, although statistics are often very easy to manipulate. People that don’t want to admit fault can continue to try to fall back on there being a lack of acceptance, but that doesn’t correlate to a culture where acceptance is better than has ever been

So rather than admit fault, these professionals will just continue to go down a dead end path that costs lives. I’m also not saying that the solution is no acceptance. I shouldn’t have to say this but you seem pretty slow to understand some things so I wouldn’t put it past you to claim I am. I’m saying the mistake is putting the focus on suicide

The mistake is not on suicide at all. The mistake is having a whole subset of society that wants to affirm a mental illness rather than treat it. Mentioning suicide rates are up with trans people is helping affirm that gender disphoria exists as a normal human condition.

Call me crazy, but I don't believe humanity all of sudden just started having a problem with figuring out who is male and female due to "natural process"

Get on some the transgender reddit forums, people there are actively seeking help. and all the responses are immidiate affirmation or some sort of "don't listen to that authority figure" Its really disturbing. Its a social contagion at all levels and needs to be stopped. None of this postmodern "truth" thinking out side of objective reality is helping anybody.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to retreat back to “I was only referring to very little kids who have no concept of suicide” as some sort of safe position to take, that’s fine.

Ok. *retreats back to the subject of the bill that is being discussed*

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok. *retreats back to the subject of the bill that is being discussed*

Weird, I thought u were implying that these little children, if not gender affirmed at a young age, would be susceptible to suicide later?

Want me to find the quote(s)?

“They'll be horrified to learn adults were secretly conspiring to keep them alive”

“The transgender suicide thing. That's what the curriculum was/is trying to fix, according to the TV lady”

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Weird, I thought u were implying that these little children, if not gender affirmed at a young age, would be susceptible to suicide later?

Want me to find the quote(s)?

“They'll be horrified to learn adults were secretly conspiring to keep them alive”

“The transgender suicide thing. That's what the curriculum was/is trying to fix, according to the TV lady”

The bill does bar gender affirmation at a young age.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The bill does bar gender affirmation at a young age.

And you brought up suicide. Do you want the quotes again?

So why bring up suicide?

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you brought up suicide. Do you want the quotes again?

So why bring up suicide?

Because that's the problem gender affirmation at a young age is meant to solve, according to me and maybe the lady from the TV.

[Ooloo]

I mean ben shapiro already kind of settled the debate when it comes to people who are genuinely gender dysphoric like 8 years ago when he made the argument that you don't help a schizophrenic by affirming his belief that the radio is talking to him; that would actually be abusive and unethical. You empower him by helping him understand reality.

And that was referring to *adults*, nevermind the maleable minds of children who suddenly think "hey yeah i'm gender confused" because some insane tiktok girl pipes that phrase into their ears constantly, every day.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because that's the problem gender affirmation at a young age is meant to solve, according to me and maybe the lady from the TV.

Doesn’t sound like it’s a problem at all, because very little kids (under age 7) don’t kill themselves right?

So I guess there’s no need for gender affirmation at a very young age, because very young trans suicide doesn’t exist right?

No. Stop backing yourself into a corner, it’s unbecoming. You and the democrat public figures are talking about gender affirmation at a young age AND older ages as preventing children trans suicides at whatever ages they occur. I showed how that is a dangerous approach

We can leave it at that