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[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's also hypocritical to follow these teachings today while claiming to have any kind of morals at all.

It's immoral to follow any teaching, because existing is immoral.

By living, we destroy the planet in many ways:

1. We emit CO2 and methane. Holy shit global warming we're fucked.
2. By paying taxes, we contribute to warfare. Holy shit we're murderers.
3. We destroy habitats. By constantly expanding to more land, we deprive indigenous plant and animal life of their homes. Holy shit we suck.

If you care about morality, kill yourself. Otherwise, stop being a sanctimonious ass hole.

Let me leave you with some Robert Heinlein...

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Christ believed in an afterlife, and if he knew slaves rebelling against their masters would simply be murdered, why wouldn't he advise them to submit to bondage?

Lol, so funny how Christians try and justify these passages. Why didnt Jesus command the slave owners to NOT OWN SLAVES in the first place? You say it is to save slaves lives but isnt murder also wrong? The slave owners were already going against Jesus's will by killing runaways. SO WHY CONDONE IT?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, so funny how Christians try and justify these passages. Why didnt Jesus command the slave owners to NOT OWN SLAVES in the first place? You say it is to save slaves lives but isnt murder also wrong? The slave owners were already going against Jesus's will by killing runaways. SO WHY CONDONE IT?

God works in mysterious ways ofc.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, so funny how Christians try and justify these passages. Why didnt Jesus command the slave owners to NOT OWN SLAVES in the first place? You say it is to save slaves lives but isnt murder also wrong? The slave owners were already going against Jesus's will by killing runaways. SO WHY CONDONE IT?

1. this has nothing to do with christianity
2. The slave owners had christ killed. His followers were the poor and the downtrodden... His theology, at the time of his life, would have zero effect on the actions of those who own slaves. You guys don't see religion as history, which is your biggest problem. Christ, as a historical figure, had influence over a very limited number of people. He was preaching to them.

Whatever theology has occurred since then is attributable only to individual theologians, not to the man himself. Religion is a fluid, living thing than reflects cultural changes. One day you'll understand that.
Ignore thousands of years of collective wisdom of your ancestors at your own peril.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. this has nothing to do with christianity
2. The slave owners had christ killed. His followers were the poor and the downtrodden... His theology, at the time of his life, would have zero effect on the actions of those who own slaves. You guys don't see religion as history, which is your biggest problem. Christ, as a historical figure, had influence over a very limited number of people. He was preaching to them.

Whatever theology has occurred since then is attributable only to individual theologians, not to the man himself. Religion is a fluid, living thing than reflects cultural changes. One day you'll understand that.

Thats the whole point though, that in 2014, such ideologies provided in the book are too antiquated and have no place in a productive society today.

Ignore thousands of years of collective wisdom of your ancestors at your own peril.

Scientific progress is indeed amazing and those who refuse to learn from everything that our ancestors have achieved are the greatest threat of all.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Religion is a fluid, living thing than reflects cultural changes. One day you'll understand that.

Its not living

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats the whole point though, that in 2014, such ideologies provided in the book are too antiquated and have no place in a productive society today.



Scientific progress is indeed amazing and those who refuse to learn from everything that our ancestors have achieved are the greatest threat of all.

If that's true, then why hasn't slavery been abolished?

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats the whole point though, that in 2014, such ideologies provided in the book are too antiquated and have no place in a productive society today.



Scientific progress is indeed amazing and those who refuse to learn from everything that our ancestors have achieved are the greatest threat of all.

Oh, but it does. Seventh Day Adventists are healthy because they believe God commands them to maintain a healthy lifestyle. Utah doesn't suffer many social ills in other states, I'd argue that that is related to strong family and community values (Mormon values). Christian charities were the first into Liberia to fight ebola, while you sat at your computer. Religious states in the US donate more to, and are more active in charities.

Gregor Mendel created genetics. Where did he find the resources to study pea plants? Holy shit, he was a monk in a monastery? I guess you don't believe in mendelian genetics anymore because he was associated with the evil catholic church trying to control us all!!!!! Tools

I reiterate: "I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

If you see no value in a religion, then don't follow it. Conversely, if you see some value in parts of it but little in other aspects, incorporate what you will into your life. It is your responsibility, and yours alone, to utilize your brain to decide what is right and wrong in your life. If I decide to go to a house of worship, in my case a Baha'i shrine, why the hell is that any of your business?

I was raised in the religion that my mother taught me, and it would kill her if I left it. So why did I stay? Merely out of respect to her? Not quite. My faith taught me to work hard, to smile in the face of adversity, and to be tolerant. What part of those values do you deem to be evil? If I read them in a philosophy tome or a textbook, would they be inherently more valuable than if they came from scripture? What makes you the arbiter of right and wrong?

The only "religion" that scares me is this incessant desire from liberals and atheists to silence anyone who has a different opinion. What a fucked up world we'd have if you guys had the power to create a society without diversity of opinion, culture or thought. I'll keep praying to my flying spaghetti monster that you never have the capability.

Oh, and there are plenty of countries that have thought police apparatuses. I suggest you move to Iran, China, or Russia; you'd all fit in perfectly. Drones following the queen like in every other hive.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/op...iberia-127563/

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionande...-health/10575/

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. this has nothing to do with christianity
2. The slave owners had christ killed. His followers were the poor and the downtrodden... His theology, at the time of his life, would have zero effect on the actions of those who own slaves. You guys don't see religion as history, which is your biggest problem. Christ, as a historical figure, had influence over a very limited number of people. He was preaching to them.

Whatever theology has occurred since then is attributable only to individual theologians, not to the man himself. Religion is a fluid, living thing than reflects cultural changes. One day you'll understand that.
Ignore thousands of years of collective wisdom of your ancestors at your own peril.

1. Um, so Bible passages from the New and Old Testament have nothing to do with Christianity...interesting.
2. So what. The slave owners should not affect what laws Jesus is passing down to human beings anymore than a murderer not following his laws would. If God was truly omnipotent he could write a book in such a way that it is timeless. What you are suggesting is that God writes different rule books for different cultures and that his laws change as time passes.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Um, so Bible passages from the New and Old Testament have nothing to do with Christianity...interesting.
2. So what. The slave owners should not affect what laws Jesus is passing down to human beings anymore than a murderer not following his laws would. If God was truly omnipotent he could write a book in such a way that it is timeless. What you are suggesting is that God writes different rule books for different cultures and that his laws change as time passes.

No, I'm suggesting that men wrote the Bible, and every other book, not God. You are at fault for assuming that a book of morals, written by men, has no value because you don't believe in God. If God doesn't exist, then why bring him into this? Why not take moral lessons from the Bible, since they are the teachings of men? Are you honestly telling me that there is nothing in the Bible that you find valuable? If you are, then you're a sociopath. The New Testament is 95% at least sound moral philosophy.

My point about it not being about christianity is that A) I'm a baha'i and
B) As always, you guys miss the point of religion. This isn't God sitting on high giving you instructions on life. This is YOUR ANCESTORS who were smarter than you, who saw the savage nature of the society that they lived in, telling their people "Hey dickheads, maybe you should stop killing one another and being ass holes."

If you don't believe in God, that's fine. But don't expect your arguments to convince me to not follow my religion. I have a sense of morality that doesn't bring me into conflict with any tribe, race, religion, or culture. That morality came from a religious upbringing. Does that make me evil?