ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[India]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm trying to imagine what, if anything, is gonna happen when Ser Davos gets back and finds out what's become of Shireen. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually believe Ser Davos knew or feared something was going to happen to Shireen.

--He tried to push back on Stannis, and allowed Stannis to give him that piss poor excuse of why Davos had to go as opposed to a messenger

--Davos' gift to Shireen and the endearing scene between the two

--Davos knew. In his heart of hearts, he knew what was going to happen.

I truly hope not, but I fear Davos is a slave to Stannis and nothing will become (by way of Davos) of Stannis' actions. If I'm correct, Davos goes down to one of my least liked characters...

[Deadmantis]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also felt disappointed that Ramsay's raid was smash hit. Stannis is supposed to be a great military commander. Davos certainly seems capable. Yet, a sneak attack yields 20 devastating fires being set simultaneously. So, Ramsay > Stannis = poor writing.

I was wondering this too, but I noticed a look of satisfaction on Melisandre's face as tents and horses burned from the Ramsay raid. Did she foresee it coming in her flames? and ensured it's success? so Stannis would be forced to react, ala sacrificing his daughter. Just a thought.

[wts]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see him giving two shits about the books now that he made it big.

It's dementia/senility. He's incapable of finishing the series.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jorah's left hand was gloved, but his right, the one he took Dany's with, wasn't. Greyscale baby.

doesnt matter, you gotta touch the area thats affected to be infected by it.

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Been a while since I've been in this thread.
#1- Stannis has seen previously unimaginable powers from Melisandre. He is living in a world of prophecy, terrors in the night coming to sweep away all life, blah blah blah. If he truly believes that his options are to sacrifice one innocent child or let all of the innocent children, plus everybody else, die...well, not sacrificing Shireen would be the monstrous choice.

#2- It really annoys me when people say Sansa was raped. Stop it. Willingly getting banged by a dude you don't like is not being raped.

#3- It is kind of frustrating that this season has shown that so many book storylines are, apparently, completely irrelevant to the outcome of the story.

#1 agreed. but could Stannis justify this as being "just". thats always been his big thing. in the book, i do not expect Stannis to be there when they burn Shireen.

#2 we only saw the wedding night. she very well could have said 'no' in the nights since then. the reason everyone is calling it the sansa rape is because in the book, Jeyne Poole (the character that was replaced by sansa this season) was absolutely beaten, raped, and kept in a tower.

#3 i dont think they will be irrelevant to the story in the book. the book is the story of ice and fire, the world created by GRRM, and the people in it. whereas the show is more of a dramatic reenactment of the battle for the iron throne and doesnt care about the details, as long as they get the broad strokes (like a lifetime movie). furthermore, i think changes are good because they arent spoiling anything. im pretty sure most of the book 6 chapters that were read or released were only read or released because the show was going to touch on them, ie the book 6 arya chapter that was released.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the show has provided a sketchy connection between Stannis' actions and his belief he is Azor Ahai (much like the bandaid they stuck on the Daenerys/Tyrion/Varys plot hole). This makes Stannis look insane in additon to being an asshat. He may indeed be both in the end, but they could have propped that up better. In the end, he's swapped his soul for a throne he will not sit upon. I could very well see him taking the black.

One of the things that bothered me in-book and in-show is the sin of kinslaying. An abomination to the old Gods and the new Gods. So what, are we going to have to wait until a kinslayer dies for the pay-off? Until then, its snarky insults? Really?

I still do not understand what's going on in Dorne and how it fits with books. Anybody got this sorted out? And, what's up with the Ellaria/Jamie scene? She hitting on him, or luring him?

So Hizdahr was not a harpy... Who are the harpies? X-slaves? Btw, my iphone auto-corrects harpies to herpes. Ha!

I was a bit under-whelmed by the fighting pit scene. Anybody notice the spectators running to and fro in the stands after the harpies attacked? I found myself laughing at something where scene tension begged otherwise.

I also felt disappointed that Ramsay's raid was smash hit. Stannis is supposed to be a great military commander. Davos certainly seems capable. Yet, a sneak attack yields 20 devastating fires being set simultaneously. So, Ramsay > Stannis = poor writing.

I'm bitching here... my other complaint was Jon's return. He just witnessed the awesome power of the Night's King, but they don't show us his reveal to the Night's Watch, thus we don't see any depth to their denial. Those mean stares look ridiculous.

asshat? yes. insane? no. why would that make him insane? surely its not easy, and its emotional, and many parents probably would be too selfish to do that, or would at least try other things first. but stannis has looked into the fires, stannis knows what happened to renly, and that other nerd that was holding storms end after renly. stannis sees this as a sure bet, and more importantly, his only option. in the book, i expect Selyse to offer up Shireen without Stannis being there (as in the book, he leaves his fam at the castle eastwatch by the sea, on the wall). i agree they are doing a really bad job showing us things/changes with characters and their minds the last couple seasons. i dunno if they are getting lazy, or if they are just giving non readers too much credit, or if they just know that readers will in the holes for non readers. i cant tell you how many times i've had a non reader ask me "hey, uhh, sirken, why the f did this or that happen, and who the f is that guy?"

kinslaying is bad sure. but i think the people care more about it than the gods care about it. this world is a cruel mistress full of people that murder and rape every day. i dont expect anything horrible to magically happen to kinslayers. so yes, just as in real life, its just snarky insults (unless youre running fraps and catch him in the act).

i cant talk about dorne. the show fucked up every possible aspect of dorne and its characters. and i mean wtf happened to Arrianne Martell, ohh thats right, greyworm&messandei need screen time because... oh thats right, they dont. but surely that story is more important than, oh i dunno; Edric Storm, Mya Stone, Stoneheart, Coldhands, Belwas, Arianne Martell, 5 more Sand Snakes, Marwyn the Mage, Patchface, Victarion (id mention Euron, but it looks like they might actually be casting an actor for the role of Euron in season 6), Penny, Vargo Hoat, The Kindly Man, Jeyne Westerling, Quentyn Martell, Willas Tyrell, Varamyr, Arstan Whitebeard, Garlan Tyrell, Young Griff, Jon Connington, and holy fucking shit i didnt realize how many it was, im just going to stop before i flip the table.

Hizdahr is a dork. theres no Green Grace (OMG That's another character that was cut) on the show, and i believe she has more sway than anyone else in Mereen.

the dragon flying into the pit, and then leaving was dum. and he was smaller than he looked flying over Tyrion (unless maybe that wasnt Drogon? maybe thats an older Dragon? maybe the dragons werent all dead, maybe they were just in areas people do not go, ie: the smoking ruins of Valyria) but watching Drogon wrecking nerds was so great.

whenever D&D write original material, its not gonna be as well written, or fit in with the characters as well as when GRRM writes them.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by India [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually believe Ser Davos knew or feared something was going to happen to Shireen.

--He tried to push back on Stannis, and allowed Stannis to give him that piss poor excuse of why Davos had to go as opposed to a messenger

--Davos' gift to Shireen and the endearing scene between the two

--Davos knew. In his heart of hearts, he knew what was going to happen.

I truly hope not, but I fear Davos is a slave to Stannis and nothing will become (by way of Davos) of Stannis' actions. If I'm correct, Davos goes down to one of my least liked characters...

he had to have at least highly suspected. watching him do all the things you mentioned, i felt like he knew, and i wasnt even 100% certain til it had happened. Davos probably left thinking there was no way on earth that Stannis could ever do such a thing to Shireen.

Originally Posted by Deadmantis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was wondering this too, but I noticed a look of satisfaction on Melisandre's face as tents and horses burned from the Ramsay raid. Did she foresee it coming in her flames? and ensured it's success? so Stannis would be forced to react, ala sacrificing his daughter. Just a thought.

this red bitch claims that she could have saved the day at blackwater with all the wildfire. but you going to try to tell me that shes met her match against a few small concentrated non-wildfire fires? again, great original writing D&D.

[Nocsucow]

I just want to cry.....

[katrik]

Here's to some correct theories.. Maybe our boy isn't done yet.

[Sirken]

i mean, they foreshadowed that shit all season. i dunno how anyone really thought jon wasnt gonna get it.

at least in the book theres a legit reason as he tries to get his brothers to join him to attack the boltons. but on the show, jon never broke any oaths, and so in the show (unlike the book) the nights watch is wrong for stabbing jon.

[heartbrand]

Jamie is pretty much the only likable character on the show at this point