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[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really hope you are kidding here. TLP doesn't have the same mana recovery rate, spell costs, spell damages, pet damages, etc. as P99. You will parse differently.

On P99 if I do 1350 damage solo, I will also do 1350 damage in a group against the same mob.

You dumb motherfucker lol. YOU CANNOT PREDICT ALL POSSIBLE VARIABLES. You can't just say "I tested my DPS solo so it'll be the same in a group" and know with certainty it will work out that way. That claim is fucking ABSURD

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On P99 if I do 1350 damage solo, I will also do 1350 damage in a group against the same mob.

You have provided zero evidence to support the above quoted claim hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] This really isn't hard.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you don't understand is once you are in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data (which is a favored phrase around here). If your Enchanters suck and your Mage pet keeps dying, your Mage's DPS will suffer. That doesn't mean Mage DPS is actually that low. You just had bad luck with a group. Getting good group data that everybody can agree upon is tough. I can guarantee you even if I did provide what you are asking for, you would just say it isn't good enough. That is currently what you do with everything I provide anyway.

I present the above quoted post as evidence that you are in (irrefutable) fact fully aware that there are variables which would effect your Shaman's DPS ("skew the data") if you were in a group with other players. Again, this is an irrefutable fact, which you cannot refute hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] This really isn't hard.

Thank you for providing evidence that you are in (irrefutable) fact fully aware that your posts/statements/claims that "DPS on P99 is the same in groups and solo" and "if I do 1350 damage solo, I will also do 1350 damage in a group against the same mob" are in (irrefutable) fact, false. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ignoring the (irrefutable) facts will not refute them or make them go away hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You dumb motherfucker lol. YOU CANNOT PREDICT ALL POSSIBLE VARIABLES. You can't just say "I tested my DPS solo so it'll be the same in a group" and know with certainty it will work out that way. That claim is fucking ABSURD

What variables are you referring to? Just saying "variables change stuff" doesn't mean anything.

The way you test DPS is the way I showed in my videos. That's how you compare class DPS.

In a group you could be doing half of your normal DPS due to the Enchanters sucking and your pet keeps dying. That isn't an accurate representation of a Mage's DPS, even if you had 100 data sets of the same unlucky Mage getting his pet killed every other pull lol. This is the point you are missing. If Troxx provides a parse where his group sucks, and I provide a parse where my group is comprised of the best players on the server, you will get an inaccurate picture of DPS differences between the classes.

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[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What variables are you referring to? Just saying "variables change stuff" doesn't mean anything.

The very variables which you (irrefutably) have (intentionally or otherwise) acknowledged the existence of in the below quoted post of course. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you don't understand is once you are in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data (which is a favored phrase around here). If your Enchanters suck and your Mage pet keeps dying, your Mage's DPS will suffer. That doesn't mean Mage DPS is actually that low. You just had bad luck with a group. Getting good group data that everybody can agree upon is tough. I can guarantee you even if I did provide what you are asking for, you would just say it isn't good enough. That is currently what you do with everything I provide anyway.

I present the above quoted post as evidence that you are in (irrefutable) fact fully aware that there are variables which would effect your Shaman's DPS ("skew the data") if you were in a group with other players. Again, this is an irrefutable fact, which you cannot refute hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] This really isn't hard.

Thank you for providing evidence that you are in (irrefutable) fact fully aware that your posts/statements/claims that "DPS on P99 is the same in groups and solo" and "if I do 1350 damage solo, I will also do 1350 damage in a group against the same mob" are in (irrefutable) fact, false. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ignoring the (irrefutable) facts will not refute them or make them go away hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The way you test solo DPS is the way I showed in my videos. That's how you compare solo class DPS.

Fixed that for you! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unfortunately, soloing is irrelevant to the discussion as we are discussing Mage vs Shaman DPS output in the specific environment of a high level fast-paced killing DPS group.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In a group you could be doing half of your normal DPS due to the Enchanters sucking and your pet keeps dying. That isn't an accurate representation of a Mage's DPS, even if you had 100 data sets of the same unlucky Mage getting his pet killed every other pull lol.

You have provided zero evidence that "doing half of your normal DPS" (for whatever reason[s]) somehow isn't or wouldn't be an accurate representation of the DPS that has performed during the testing/parsing/recording which resulted in that "half normal DPS" performance. You claiming that it isn't or wouldn't be an accurate representation doesn't mean it isn't an accurate representation just because you say so, that would be an unsubstantiated claim hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] This really isn't hard.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is yourself. The only thing you can do is keep claiming my data is bad, but you haven't provided any evidence for the claim. You have provided hundreds of insult/meme posts though.

Your data isn’t bad. It is nonexistent (for the purpose and scope of this discussion).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your data isn’t bad. It is nonexistent (for the purpose and scope of this discussion).

You have yet to prove this claim.

If you want to ask people to prove a negative, then you need to prove your own parse data isn't simply photoshopped.

I can play this silly game too, but it goes nowhere.

If you want to claim my data isn't valid for the discussion, you need to prove the claim.

The other thing you are avoiding is this question: How do you determine your group sucked (which affects DPS), when all you have is some images of DPS data? If I provided DPS data using a group of the best players on the server, and they let me root/rot, wouldn't the data be "skewed" in a way that makes Shamans look even better? This is why your insistence on asking me for group DPS data is silly. It can skew heavily just based on the group, not on the class itself.

The videos I provided are the cleanest way to judge DPS differences between classes, and are immune to these outside variables such as your pet constantly dying due to bad group members.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have yet to prove this claim.

No. I present the above quoted post as evidence that you simply seemingly continue to misunderstand or are (intentionally or otherwise) misconstruing your level of understanding. I present the posts in this thread (and particularly the ones you have ignored, misunderstood, or [intentionally or otherwise] misconstrued your true understanding of) as evidence that this has been proven to you multiple times by multiple posts (from multiple posters) in this thread.

You seemingly do not understand that you ignoring irrefutable facts does not refute them, does not mean they do not exist and will not make them go away hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] This really isn't hard.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to ask people to prove a negative, then you need to prove your own parse data isn't simply photoshopped.

You have provided zero evidence that anybody else (such as Troxx) has asked people (such as you) to "prove a negative", so I am not sure what point you think you are making or why your post would seem to indicate that you believe this straw man you have built somehow makes your solo Shaman root rotting data relevant to a discussion that is specifically about Shaman vs Mage DPS in the context/setting/environment of a high level fast-paced killing DPS group hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can play this silly game too, but it goes nowhere. If you want to claim my data isn't valid for the discussion, you need to prove the claim.

The problem is your posts would imply that you have forgotten that you have already admitted - intentionally or otherwise hehe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] - that you are aware of the variables that exist when a character is played in a group.
You might have forgotten that you have (irrefutably) acknowledged the existence of these variables, but I have not forgotten, and will post a quote of it below for all to view. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] If you have not forgotten about the below post that you made today, I am not sure why you are seemingly continuing to allude to the fact that you are unaware of these variables existence , or the fact that they - in your own words - "skew data", as if you have indeed forgotten. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to claim your data is valid for the discussion, it needs to be relevant data hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] This really isn't hard.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you don't understand is once you are in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

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So we went from "in a group there are too many variables that can skew data" to "if I do X DPS solo I will 100% do the exact same DPS in a group"

So you've basically changed your entire argument at random