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View Poll Results: How do you feel about Enchanter's power level? Multiple choice allowed. | |||
Non-classically overpowered and needs nerf | 66 | 33.33% | |
Non-classically overpowered and does not need nerf | 19 | 9.60% | |
Classically overpowered and needs nerf (Bard, Nec, etc examples) | 23 | 11.62% | |
Classically overpowered and does not need nerf | 88 | 44.44% | |
Trivializes content and needs nerf | 42 | 21.21% | |
Trivializes content and does not need nerf | 16 | 8.08% | |
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 198. You may not vote on this poll |
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People questioning what proof exists. There is already bug reports showing charm was so unreliable and buggy in classic pre-kunark it would mostly result in dying. Everyone knows in classic pets pathed odd, fell through world, etc but on P99 they're almost perfect. We also already proved channeling rates are too high on P99 particularly at lower levels which greatly benefits Enchanter and allows them to survive. Saying there is no evidence just isn't true anymore. Pets as well. All pets across the board have too much HP and Enchanter has a similar pet to Nec/Mag when on live their pet was paper thin and had something like half the other classes pet HP. This is a minor aspect but it's just another way Enchanter gets more unclassic benefits than every other class. The evidence is all there. P99 Enchanter is mostly accurate for a level 60, max channeling, and highly geared Velious era Enchanter. Except it plays that way from level 1 and the start of classic era. People keep trying to dismiss this. One of the latest Enchanter bug threads even has links to classic era posts of Enchanters talking about how completely useless they are and that they can't even mez. Mez was talked about as an emergency back up and multiple people even said they don't keep it memmed because of how buggy it was. Live classic Enchanter died all the time from mez in groups where tanks couldn't pull aggro. They didn't tank 3-5 mobs and channel mez through it to solo large groups of mobs. In a recent bug thread it was also proven mez should not mem blur mobs on recast. If a mob is mezzed, it can be mem blurred, and then it won't blur again until the spell wears off and is reapplied. This meant a mob being re-mezzed was actually stacking up aggro on the Enchanter instead of it being wiped regularly with each re-mez. Mem blur rates are too high on mez as well. The evidence is there... | |||
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https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=378303 Particularly near the end and the links Dolalin provided. Quote:
Read through the posts, it's pretty telling. Enchanter was a garbage broken class in classic. You can even see that you could actually DOT mobs while they were Mezzed and Enchanters thought this was normal and expected. They consider it a nerf when it was changed. Absolutely zero discussion of charm as a viable way to play. It's almost never discussed. There is another bug thread where Dolalin provided links to evidence of how buggy charm was. Not just breaking often but just ridiculously bugged. Charmed pets wouldn't respond, would fall through world, etc. My feeling after reviewing a lot of this is that charm was so broken and worthless it wasn't discussed often in classic era and so there isn't much info to go on in terms of how exactly it should function. I don't think P99 devs want to introduce horrible bugs like falling through world and such to provide the full classic experience. It's a bit of a rock and a hard place. When is a bug too much of a bug to consider it part of classic and when does fixing a bug result in a non-classic experience? My argument is that if Enchanter charm was so bugged as to be mostly dangerous then allowing Enchanters to use it in classic era without those bugs is non-classically OP and it needs a nerf in some kind of way. Quote:
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How about you find some evidence that charm was a relied upon tactic in classic EQ? Not Kunark, not Velious, but classic EQ. Find me someone talking about how useful it was and not the countless stories of Enchanters crying their class was a broken mess, the least played, and ignored. I showed you mine, show me yours. | |||
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Charm wearing off message didn't work?
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ighlight=charm Classic bugs with Charm https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ighlight=charm Quote:
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I don't understand why people cry so much about trying to recreate an accurate classic experience. Even in the threads I just linked from Dolalin what is the first reply to all the classic charm bug evidence? Quote:
Where is the evidence? Where is the evidence? I can't see! Where? What? Huh? Dial up! People didn't know how to play! They're just making up stories! No one knew how EQ worked that's why Enchanter was the least played, most buggy, and most likely to die in any given situation. Ok, clear evidence charmed pets attacked group members and so on. No, must have been dial up. THE EVIDENCE IS ALREADY CLEAR. | ||||
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https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ght=channeling
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