Naive People are Dangerous - Page 2

killaessedai · #11 03-20-2013, 06:03 AM

I've said quite a few times I'm not trying to say blame anyone. I am saying we should put these things into perspective.
I'm not saying remove these things. I'm saying they contribute to the violence in society. Humans are extremely violent creatures though. I know we enjoy violent video games and movies, because we enjoy violence. It seems a lot of people delude themselves to these type of things. I understand there is cause and effect. This world isn't just evil person kills! There is a lot of circumstances that contribute to that person killing. In quite a few instances if we experienced these same circumstances, most of us would be in the same position. I believe keeping it real in this world only leads to death or imprisonment.

killaessedai · #12 03-20-2013, 06:58 AM

I'm just kind of amazed we live in a society where you can watch all kinds of brutality on TV, and then we act amazed and surprised school shootings take place. Then we pretend violent video games and tv did nothing to contribute to it. It's bull shit. I'm not saying blame anything, I am saying if you think those factors did nothing to contribute to things like sandy hook and shootings in Aurora, then imo you are lying to yourself.
People who truly deplore violence don't watch it 24/7 on tv. You reap what you sow when you throw out a billion seeds of violence you can not be surprised when they start taking root.

myriverse · #13 03-20-2013, 08:41 AM

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As long as violence exists in movies and games it will exist in this world. You're deluding yourself to think otherwise. I'm not saying remove all violent movies, but there will always be violence in this world as long as we continue to consume it like we do.

You have that backwards. Art imitates life. Our art forms are violent because we are violent. Not all of us, of course, but we are, as a species. For all of the violence in art that you are condemning, you fail to notice that in our society, violence is at an all-time low. Surely, our entertainment activities must be on the right path.

How about we stop looking for scapegoats and blame the individual when he/she falls? And this applies to animals, as well. Johnny shoots up his school because of a defect in him, not because he played too much Call of Duty and GTA or D&D or listened to too much death metal, etc. It wasn't even because he was picked on or his parents abused him. It was his defect.

EchoedTruth · #14 03-20-2013, 09:20 AM

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You have that backwards. Art imitates life. Our art forms are violent because we are violent. Not all of us, of course, but we are, as a species. For all of the violence in art that you are condemning, you fail to notice that in our society, violence is at an all-time low. Surely, our entertainment activities must be on the right path.

How about we stop looking for scapegoats and blame the individual when he/she falls? And this applies to animals, as well. Johnny shoots up his school because of a defect in him, not because he played too much Call of Duty and GTA or D&D or listened to too much death metal, etc. It wasn't even because he was picked on or his parents abused him. It was his defect.

Sums up my point quite well.

killaessedai · #15 03-20-2013, 09:26 AM

All of you fail at reading comprehension. I'm not blaming anyone or looking for a scapegoat. I am saying when you keep up a culture of violence, and glorify a society full of violence, the defect becomes the society and the person. Just because violence is at all time low does not mean entertainment is the cause of this. It's more about a revolution of people's minds causing this. The way i see it the art then becomes something holding us back from transforming even more and ultimately having even less violence. Saying this person just had a defect is profoundly ignorant and the epitome of human arrogance. If i beat the shit out of you everyday and you don't want to kill me, there is something wrong with you. By your reasoning there would be something wrong with a woman who is being abused to kill her husband.
I'm not blaming anyone as i have stated 50 fucking times, but just because someone does something wrong doesn't mean there is something wrong with them. EVERYONE makes bad decisions. A lot of time there are factors leading to these bad decisions. You can only blame the person for their mistakes, but just demonizing someone without looking at what circumstances led to this problem, is a defect.

killaessedai · #16 03-20-2013, 09:44 AM

http://www.brookings.edu/research/op...o-games-singer Do we really think it would not work in reverse?

killaessedai · #17 03-20-2013, 10:01 AM

While there are people who are just born fucked in the head, i think this a very small percent of people who commit crimes. I think the majority of people who commit crimes have been pushed to the edge by a lot of different factors. I'm not saying violent movies or video games cause this, but once they get to that point and are now surrounded by this type of society/culture you have a powder keg ready to explode. The world pushes them to this point, then our art becomes their plan. Humans when in desperation to survive will become monsters, there is a beast inside us we try to keep tamed for the sake of civilization. Just about anyone when pushed far enough will release this beast to destroy their attacker.

EchoedTruth · #18 03-20-2013, 12:35 PM

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While there are people who are just born fucked in the head, i think this a very small percent of people who commit crimes. I think the majority of people who commit crimes have been pushed to the edge by a lot of different factors. I'm not saying violent movies or video games cause this, but once they get to that point and are now surrounded by this type of society/culture you have a powder keg ready to explode. The world pushes them to this point, then our art becomes their plan. Humans when in desperation to survive will become monsters, there is a beast inside us we try to keep tamed for the sake of civilization. Just about anyone when pushed far enough will release this beast to destroy their attacker.

You clearly haven't done much work in the fields of psychology/sociology. The majority of violent criminals (killers, rapists), are sociopaths - either born that way or made that way from their mind snapping under physical/emotional/sexual abuse. The people who commit violent acts beyond that are often provoked/misled (suicide bombers, bar fights). The kids who shoot up schools? Sociopaths that often broke under the stress of being bullied / being in a state of anomie. The slice of the crazy pie that media shares is at most around 5-10%... media's affect on people is completely insignificant next to other contributing factors.

GG though!

Pico · #19 03-20-2013, 06:13 PM

i didnt read any word in this thread and voted it 'terrible'

myriverse · #20 03-20-2013, 06:32 PM

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A lot of time there are factors leading to these bad decisions. You can only blame the person for their mistakes, but just demonizing someone without looking at what circumstances led to this problem, is a defect.

Not a lot of the time. An extremely tiny part of the time. The only circumstance that led to the problem is the individual's defect. Newsflash: many other people are going through the same crap and are exposed to the same cultural crap. And they don't become violent. Those that do are an anomaly.

And you are, most certainly, looking for scapegoats.