Why do devs keep making these retarded cash shop MMORPGs that all fail?

[Anesthia]

Cash shops make me run away very, very fast. I enjoyed reading some of Syncaine's blog posts when a number of games were embracing the F2P model. Here's one:

http://syncaine.com/2012/10/25/save-the-f2p-children/

Buy a hotbar!

[stormlord]

Originally Posted by Anesthia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cash shops make me run away very, very fast. I enjoyed reading some of Syncaine's blogs when a number of games were embracing the F2P model. Here's one:

http://syncaine.com/2012/10/25/save-the-f2p-children/

Buy a hotbar!

You don't think you're being an old fogey by holding to your guns?

Well, I can understand it. I know my style is out of fashion too. I don't even own a portable. I don't text. I don't play Skyrim or WoW or the newest games.

I just hope people can find the right game for them evne if it's old fashioned.

[stormlord]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dislike even a cosmetic cash shop. I remember in WoW when they released that $25 Celestial Steed mount, I went to orgrimmar and everyone was fucking riding one. People were making fun of them and the typical response was: "LAL dont b mad bcuz ur 2 poor to afford 1 of these sick mounts raufelmao". Like most mounts, this one wasn't even a trophy signifying any kind of accomplishment or hard work... I'm reluctant to use the word 'immersion' after it's been meme-tized, but yea, ruined my immersion.

And that was the day I lost my faith in the invisible hand of human rationality.

The problem with basing it on accomplishment is that this ties up hte game. It means you have to attach a length of time to the accomplishment. When you do that, you exclude players who might not have hte time (or inclination). So you make it purchasable. This allows you to have customers who have less time but more money. This (should) broaden your user base. However, as was mentioned by the Ephirath, it breaks immersion when people show off the things they buy without earning it in-game. It cheapens the accomplishment.

Is there a way to please everybody so that nobody has bad feelings?

Keep in mind I long played Eq even though I had bad feelings. So maybe it's not game breaking. However, I'm not playing it anymore. In fact, I'm playing a fairly hardcore game right now named Wurm Online. But even in that game players can purchase silver and silver can purchase most everything in the game; including labor. However, players still have to work and organize things. The game doesn't overly favor rich players. I'm sure with time it could. If the rich players start to become too common then the developers will want their money....

A good example of a game that became too expensive is Entropia Universe.

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you do that, you exclude players who might not have hte time or perseverance.

That's a good thing, that's what makes it an accomplishment. Handouts are boring for everybody, even casuals.

[stormlord]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a good thing, that's what makes it an accomplishment. Handouts are boring for everybody, even casuals.

How would you suggest that a game can please people of all tolerances? So lets say there's somebody that only can play 1 hour per day and another person that an play 5 and yet another that only players 2 hours every other day. And lets say that one of them has a salary at least 3x higher than the others. If the company wants their money, how should they go about getting it? And what about the poor player??

The idea is to make a game that works for every person, rich and poor, all walks of life. Why? Money. You want their money. A game that works for the most people will get you the most money.

The irony is of course that 80% or more of the money is in the top 20% of income earners. In fact, 1% of income earners constitute about 30% of total net worth. So if games start to tap into the top income earners, it's a given that they'll favor them. The trick will be not losing the poor players.

[Anesthia]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't think you're being an old fogey by holding to your guns?

Well, I can understand it. I know my style is out of fashion too. I don't even own a portable. I don't text. I don't play Skyrim or WoW or the newest games.

I just hope people can find the right game for them evne if it's old fashioned.

What guns? I thought I was just laughing at $2 hotbars and $50 hobby horses. I don't mind a useful cash shop, but the OP's thread title is relevant.

Back to playing WoW on my iPhone. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and eq next, cmon you KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO TRY IT!

we'll see what they unveil on Aug 1 in Vegas.

but right now ESO is pinging the absolute fawk out of my gaming radar.

EQnext on radar, but much much lower. the ONLY great thing ive heard about EQNext is that they are making EQNext.

[Rhambuk]

$$$
even if it fails in a momth people will buy enough of that stuff to make up for years worth ofsubs

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

$$$
even if it fails in a momth people will buy enough of that stuff to make up for years worth ofsubs

I'm not so sure people want to dump their dollars on something if they're not certain of sticking around. I think custom mounts are justified but the best looking gear for me needs to be raid loot or at epic quest type level.

Perhaps buying an inferior stat version for considerable cash could be considered for those that want it.

If any MMORPG launched with the "no cash shop" promoted and just a $5-10/month sub, I think it would draw a considerable fan base.

Pissed off not just with online PC gaming but companies like Capcom (SFxTekken - not all characters released despite being on the disc) and EA (see that Sim City shit go down?, and BF3's ridiculous cash grab on things like custom servers where players can ruin your fun or make you switch teams).

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not so sure people want to dump their dollars on something if they're not certain of sticking around. I think custom mounts are justified but the best looking gear for me needs to be raid loot or at epic quest type level.

Perhaps buying an inferior stat version for considerable cash could be considered for those that want it.

If any MMORPG launched with the "no cash shop" promoted and just a $5-10/month sub, I think it would draw a considerable fan base.

Pissed off not just with online PC gaming but companies like Capcom (SFxTekken - not all characters released despite being on the disc) and EA (see that Sim City shit go down?, and BF3's ridiculous cash grab on things like custom servers where players can ruin your fun or make you switch teams).

I used to work for adults with mental disabilities, the guy i worked with was super hardcore into mmo's he would steal anything and everything to buy that shit. He falsified one of those short term pay day loans, montel williams commercial, in his parents name for $500. ALL of it went to i think GW2 or eq2...whatever game he was playing at the time i think it was eq2 they have that store where you can buy mounts, and appearance gear etc. anyway yeah some people are nuts for that stuff

and what happened with sim city? I was super pumped for the new one but my pc cant run it so i try to avoid looking at it or i get sad