Collectivism vs Individualism

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me ask you a question, Supreme. Has anybody on staff troubled to deny Uthgaard's contention that Nizzar filed a police report concerning an RMT partner in New Orleans that he betrayed and who subsequently made death threats? I mean, that sounds like some serious tinfoil action right there, but I haven't seen one word questioning the factual basis of Uthgaard's accusations.

Uthgaard is a known liar and a flake. I can make the claim that this individual is a peter puffer and if no one comes to disprove my claim then that gives it validity? Kind of like repeating a lie over and over. If enough people repeat this same lie then it takes on a "truth" property as those communicating it believe it to be the "truth".

So, I feel pretty confident that Nihilum would never have been able to compete without staff intervention on the current red server. Yes, I know, you can rules lawyer it all you want. Nihilum has admitted to cheating when nobody was watching but the staff can only punish those they directly observe. You're trying to blame the decline in population on griefing but the fact is that before the staff banned Holocaust for using exploits they learned from Nihilum, that grief-fest was thriving with 500+ players.

If Nihilum "has cheated when nobody was watching" why have there not been Nihilum members reporting it? We have recruits/apps on raids...alot of them are old adversaries (Stasis etc..) yet there has not been anything to report...because the fact is that Nihilum does not "cheat".

Keep trying to blame the decline of the server on Holocaust being banned. If the role was reversed do you think Nihilum would have folded, quit the server and trolled the forums for over a year crying about "injustice".

Now you're worried because your exploited gains won't mean as much to you if the whole population goes to a new server (a server where Nihilum will be completely dominated and griefed off the server unless the staff intervenes yet again). You need us, the players who weren't handed uncontested top dog status by the staff, to stick around and be jealous of your uberness.

Again i challenge you to give me proof of exploited gains. The RBB and 3 other crap pieces of Vox loot did not make us quit or flee in protest. The fact is that you cannot beat Nihilum in the ring so you must rely on an alternative. And maybe with enough coercion the staff will help you beat Nihilum.

It was selective enforcement of the rules that killed the population, not PvP. PvP brought the population of 500+. A new server will bring those numbers again. Sirken has stated that the new server is an experiment to see if they can find a ruleset that will retain population. Nihilum99 had its chance, and it failed to retain population. You killed your own audience. This is the consequence. Deal with it.

I am not sure were you got the "selective enforcement" idea. I have been banned/suspended from Red99 for various things. Alot of people have. Two-boxing, training among them. There was no special treatment passed because of my guildtag.

It is not Nihilum that is here posting/trolling about how terrible Red99 is. It is the defeated trolls that cannot deal with losing. That must find another way to compete because they do not have the ability or desire to actually put in the work/effort to make something competitive.

How is that Nihilum's fault.

[Rhambuk]

Very uninteresting.

Teams good

Flush red99

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Losers always want it to be easy for THEM and do not care about how it affects the rest.

That perfectly describes how Nihilum recruited half the server to make competition impossible, thus destroying the server and necessitating a new teams server where competition can actually take place. Thus the previous statement, "you destroyed your own audience."

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can make the claim that this individual is a peter puffer and if no one comes to disprove my claim then that gives it validity?

You make a great jailhouse lawyer. Don't pick up the soap in the shower. Meanwhile, if Uthgaard is making this shit up, why hasn't he been laughed off the forums for it? Maybe the staff has reserved comment because they'd rather not deny it then have him produce the actual police report.

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the role was reversed do you think Nihilum would have folded, quit the server and trolled the forums for over a year crying about "injustice".

I believe I already answered that. I stated that, without GM intervention, there is no way Nihilum will survive on the new server.

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And maybe with enough coercion the staff will help you beat Nihilum.

LOL coercion? Sirken had already stated there would not be a new server before the staff apparently changed their minds. I very seriously doubt anybody put a gun to their heads and demanded a new elf simulator.

[heartbrand]

It's pretty egotistical to think the devs are making a server because of nihilum. They're making a team server because lots of people, including mainly those who never played on red99 and couldn't even name five nihilum members, aren't interested in FFA pvp but they are in teams pvp.

Take a look at the nihilum dkp list on any given day and you'll see 30+ people who have quit the game. They were in the top guild and still quit. Why is that? Stuck in Kunark on a one guild server that is dead and boring, with no hope of truly ever attracting any sizable amount of new blood. The most they can hope to get back with velious and fixes is 60-70 people, 75% of who are probably nihilum members.

I'm not blaming the state of the server on nihilum, the server is where it is because of an awful launch with problems plaguing it since day one. But, there's also a problem I completely underestimated which is that FFA grief pvp does not appeal to what should be our biggest target audience: blue guilds sick of the raid scene on blue99. Teams appeals to them.

To me the whole nihilum thing balances out, for every person who claims they quit because of nihilum there's someone else who probably the only reason they still play is a guild like nihilum, it's a wash to me. The questions needing to be asked are the fundamentals as to why we're in the place we're in to begin with. And to that, beyond the resist fixes and all of that, it comes down to the fact that the ruleset itself doesn't appeal to a large portion of players. With teams, suddenly you're attracting those "bluebs", who are at least theoretically more mature and likely to form a base for a fun server with tons of competition. I just don't see that EVER happening on red99 regardless of what fixes they put in place.

[Kohedron]

I have no interest in FFA, but I'd definitely make a character on a teams server.

[Barkingturtle]

Who cares?

Server will launch, have a few hundred players, and then it will rapidly descend to become another 40-player testament to the PvP crowd's toxicity before being merged.

No one wants to play with any of you. It's not one guild nor the other. There aren't thousands of people lurking on the internet fiending for Classic EQ PvP. There are about 200 of you dudes, maybe. It is what it is.

[skipdog]

I know everybody here wants to shit on the OP because he plays on red, but I agree with him. Don't you all see the change in the devs behavior in the last couple months? It boggles my mind that so many of you seem to be ignoring such a big shift in how the devs operate lately.

Between the new server that is only being made because of 'lots of forum threads being created', the lack of CSR support with MQs and the ban on account sales/trading from 'people whining about it on the forums' it seems like the devs are caving to demands made via forum posts and it makes no sense to me.

It makes no sense to me because the devs have never done that in the past. They've always been able to look past forum complaints, realize that it's not very representative of the actual player base, and make the best decision for the good of the server.

So devs, can you please start ignoring more forum posts like you used to back in the good 'ol days? It's not representative of the player base. Please stop catering to the best forumquesters.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's pretty egotistical to think the devs are making a server because of nihilum. They're making a team server because lots of people, including mainly those who never played on red99 and couldn't even name five nihilum members, aren't interested in FFA pvp but they are in teams pvp.

Take a look at the nihilum dkp list on any given day and you'll see 30+ people who have quit the game. They were in the top guild and still quit. Why is that? Stuck in Kunark on a one guild server that is dead and boring, with no hope of truly ever attracting any sizable amount of new blood. The most they can hope to get back with velious and fixes is 60-70 people, 75% of who are probably nihilum members.

I'm not blaming the state of the server on nihilum, the server is where it is because of an awful launch with problems plaguing it since day one. But, there's also a problem I completely underestimated which is that FFA grief pvp does not appeal to what should be our biggest target audience: blue guilds sick of the raid scene on blue99. Teams appeals to them.

To me the whole nihilum thing balances out, for every person who claims they quit because of nihilum there's someone else who probably the only reason they still play is a guild like nihilum, it's a wash to me. The questions needing to be asked are the fundamentals as to why we're in the place we're in to begin with. And to that, beyond the resist fixes and all of that, it comes down to the fact that the ruleset itself doesn't appeal to a large portion of players. With teams, suddenly you're attracting those "bluebs", who are at least theoretically more mature and likely to form a base for a fun server with tons of competition. I just don't see that EVER happening on red99 regardless of what fixes they put in place.

You make some good points. I would rather see a server like blue that has PVP enabled for the raid zones, like Chardok/KC/Sebilis/PoF/PoH etc, instead of a "teams" server.

But that is me being an individual.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know everybody here wants to shit on the OP because he plays on red, but I agree with him. Don't you all see the change in the devs behavior in the last couple months? It boggles my mind that so many of you seem to be ignoring such a big shift in how the devs operate lately.

Between the new server that is only being made because of 'lots of forum threads being created', the lack of CSR support with MQs and the ban on account sales/trading from 'people whining about it on the forums' it seems like the devs are caving to demands made via forum posts and it makes no sense to me.

It makes no sense to me because the devs have never done that in the past. They've always been able to look past forum complaints, realize that it's not very representative of the actual player base, and make the best decision for the good of the server.

So devs, can you please start ignoring more forum posts like you used to back in the good 'ol days? It's not representative of the player base. Please stop catering to the best forumquesters.

Exactly.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know everybody here wants to shit on the OP because he plays on red, but I agree with him. Don't you all see the change in the devs behavior in the last couple months? It boggles my mind that so many of you seem to be ignoring such a big shift in how the devs operate lately.

Between the new server that is only being made because of 'lots of forum threads being created', the lack of CSR support with MQs and the ban on account sales/trading from 'people whining about it on the forums' it seems like the devs are caving to demands made via forum posts and it makes no sense to me.

It makes no sense to me because the devs have never done that in the past. They've always been able to look past forum complaints, realize that it's not very representative of the actual player base, and make the best decision for the good of the server.

So devs, can you please start ignoring more forum posts like you used to back in the good 'ol days? It's not representative of the player base. Please stop catering to the best forumquesters.

The biggest problem with the new server is they are basically saying, hey we are going to kill r99 for 6 months, then it will be good again.

So red players have 2 options

Quit for 6 months
Play on T99 for 6 months