No problem with you bards until tonight, what you guys should understand.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training is against the rules, intentional or not. Server rules spell it out clearly.

Originally Posted by Rogean

Training
Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location. The most basic form of this is "dumping" mobs near another player or party and escaping via a form of teleportation or death. Intentional or not, this is against the rules. This rule is not limited to the basic example given, as there are many different forms of training players will use. You take all responsibility for mobs that you aggro. If you are trying to escape from a pack of NPC's but there is another group in your way, do not run through them. Even if your intention is not to train them, it would inevitable cause this and you may be subject to disciplinary. It is recommended that you take the death (Your responsibility for aggroing the mobs) and request a resurrection from nearby players.

^I'm guessing this is what you are referring to?^
kiting != training. No one is trying to escape(zone away) from a pack of NPCs or dump agro when swarm kiting. Either way, getting someone in trouble on a training dispute is nigh impossible; in my several years on the server I've never seen it happen outside of a raid scenario. It's un-enforceable.

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monopolizing an entire zones spawns IS against the rules.

^this is referring to holding multiple camps within a dungeon(specifically crushbone and black burrow; both places have clearly defined camps.) The server rules are clear that outdoor pathing mobs are not and can never be considered a camp. Stop quote mining out of context.

The rule for outdoor pathing mobs is as follows:

Originally Posted by Xzerion

5. Outdoor pathing mobs are not campable unless you are sitting at the spawn point and able to engage it instantly. Outdoor mobs on fast respawn such as HG and spectres, if you cannot engage immediately you do not hold the camp. Please try and share with fellow players in these instances.

I.E. It's FTE on outdoor pathing mobs. If someone is first to engage the entire zone; the entire zone is theirs until they die, or kill it all. "please try and share" isn't an order to share, its a suggestion.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mass kiting is not against the rules and neither is monopolizing entire zone npc populations, as long as they were first to pull. Its eq guys, nothing is handed to you.

What you are describing would have been considered "zone disruption" during classic live and you could wind up with a warning or suspension for that depending on what the GM saw and decided to do. If you already had one of those it could have resulted in a ban. They left "zone disruption" open ended and as a discretionary thing specificly to not have to have a rule for every little instance of douchebaggery and to have to deal with said douchebag lawyering his way around the rules.

It's not a matter of anything being handed to anyone, but players (plural) being able to actually use the content as intended. One player monopolizing an entire zone has never been intended for any zone in any era of this game. If someone was doing it and it affected entire groups of other players, particularly if it commonly resulted in them dying from trains caused by this, intentional or otherwise, it would be a more than safe bet that GMs would have stepped in on live. Here should be no different. You don't have to have a specific rule to tell people to not be assholes in every little case.

Bard AoE kiting, in fact, got nerfed on live specifically because a small minority of bards were monopolizing the more popular exp zones during primetime, by the way.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you are describing would have been considered "zone disruption" during classic live and you could wind up with a warning or suspension for that depending on what the GM saw and decided to do. If you already had one of those it could have resulted in a ban. They left "zone disruption" open ended and as a discretionary thing specificly to not have to have a rule for every little instance of douchebaggery and to have to deal with said douchebag lawyering his way around the rules.

It's not a matter of anything being handed to anyone, but players (plural) being able to actually use the content as intended. One player monopolizing an entire zone has never been intended for any zone in any era of this game. If someone was doing it and it affected entire groups of other players, particularly if it commonly resulted in them dying from trains caused by this, intentional or otherwise, it would be a more than safe bet that GMs would have stepped in on live. Here should be no different. You don't have to have a specific rule to tell people to not be assholes in every little case.

Bard AoE kiting, in fact, got nerfed on live specifically because a small minority of bards were monopolizing the more popular exp zones during primetime, by the way.

What gave you the impression this was live? Different ruleset; different GMs/Policies; different server.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Calabee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fuck ae kiting

What he said. A few of you Jack Asses are going to just totally ruin it for other Bards.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What he said. A few of you Jack Asses are going to just totally ruin it for other Bards.

Some are real asses too when you try to work something out. They really do think they have a right to every mob.

Originally Posted by Estu

I'm with Thieros on this one. Never understood people who do EXP groups in outdoor zones like Oasis and Overthere.

It's somewhat safer. Risk/reward thing.

[spoils]

Op confirmed Perun alt

[Trouble]

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Orange = bard pull area

You = somewhere else



JK btw, when people get all whiny and start hollering in OOC and getting the bard hate rolling I don't usually pay 'em much mind, but if you msg me and talk to me like an adult I will leave mobs up for you.

[thieros]

Originally Posted by Trouble [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Orange = bard pull area

You = somewhere else

fish still fair game!

[Dirkus]

Originally Posted by Trouble [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

JK btw, when people get all whiny and start hollering in OOC and getting the bard hate rolling I don't usually pay 'em much mind, but if you msg me and talk to me like an adult I will leave mobs up for you.

This. Talk to us, we usually don't mind sharing.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Trouble [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Orange = bard pull area

You = somewhere else



JK btw, when people get all whiny and start hollering in OOC and getting the bard hate rolling I don't usually pay 'em much mind, but if you msg me and talk to me like an adult I will leave mobs up for you.

haha