Bards?

[tacite]

Originally Posted by Yumyums Inmahtumtums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

QFT.

I like you Tacite because there's been a few times I've seen you in FM and you do an OOC beforehand asking who is at the giant fort and if you can pull from it. Respect to others like that is a big factor and gets noticed among us normies levelling the good ol' fashioned way.

I'd like to point out that the large majority of these bard zones (OT, DL, SK) are attractive to other players because of their single pulls and ample room to maneuvre/cc/park. With steady pulls and a good team, you can get experience that is as good or better than high ZEM dungeons. Add to the fact that most of the good ZEM dungeons are check valves (1 way in, 1 out) with 10x the risk of death and a million miles from a cleric and well.... You see where I'm going with this. Death is the ultimate xp and time killer.

The long and short of it is, these zones are huge and with a little respect to other players, can be managed and played as intended.

I like you too, lizardfriend. <3

Usually when I'm in FM now, no one at the fort even knows I'm around, as I don't pull from it (except if the zone is totally empty!) and I am always careful not to train through it.

It's really not that hard to avoid being a douchebard, guys.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Originally Posted by tacite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like you too, lizardfriend. <3

Usually when I'm in FM now, no one at the fort even knows I'm around, as I don't pull from it (except if the zone is totally empty!) and I am always careful not to train through it.

It's really not that hard to avoid being a douchebard, guys.

Bugmuncher Yumyum = lizardman monk
Yumyums Inmahtumtums = Barb shaman

[tacite]

Originally Posted by Yumyums Inmahtumtums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bugmuncher Yumyum = lizardman monk
Yumyums Inmahtumtums = Barb shaman

You chose barbarian for your shaman? Traitor

No tail = fail

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Originally Posted by tacite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You chose barbarian for your shaman? Traitor

No tail = fail

No scales? No fails!

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Yumyums Inmahtumtums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

QFT.

I like you Tacite because there's been a few times I've seen you in FM and you do an OOC beforehand asking who is at the giant fort and if you can pull from it. Respect to others like that is a big factor and gets noticed among us normies levelling the good ol' fashioned way.

I'd like to point out that the large majority of these bard zones (OT, DL, SK) are attractive to other players because of their single pulls and ample room to maneuvre/cc/park. With steady pulls and a good team, you can get experience that is as good or better than high ZEM dungeons. Add to the fact that most of the good ZEM dungeons are check valves (1 way in, 1 out) with 10x the risk of death and a million miles from a cleric and well.... You see where I'm going with this. Death is the ultimate xp and time killer.

The long and short of it is, these zones are huge and with a little respect to other players, can be managed and played as intended.

Dungeons don't get any easier. Learn how to play them before you wipe your group in HS where the CR is even worse.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dungeons don't get any easier. Learn how to play them before you wipe your group in HS where the CR is even worse.

Everything I listed takes you to 53 max - iirc the half way mark for total xp to 60 is around level 54.

The experience you need for high level dungeons to "not always wipe" can be gleaned fairly easily from 50 onwards...

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Yumyums Inmahtumtums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything I listed takes you to 53 max - iirc the half way mark for total xp to 60 is around level 54.

The experience you need for high level dungeons to "not always wipe" can be gleaned fairly easily from 50 onwards...

50+ dungeons are the very dungeons you want to walk in with those skills, not pick them up.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

50+ dungeons are the very dungeons you want to walk in with those skills, not pick them up.

Oh come on.

1) KC, where most of the 50+ dungeon activity takes place, is trivial (other than mob level) compared to Sola and Solb and half the sub-50 dungeons in Kunark.
2) It takes a competent player one or maybe two play sessions with players who know what they're doing to become decent in a dungeon group, while an incompetent player will probably still be hopeless after dozens of sessions.
3) There are so many absurdly overtwinked toons and handily parked epic cleric alts here that as often as not being in a lower level dungeon groups will teach you to play badly rather than well.

Spending a lot of time in dungeons isn't what helps, unless you're learning the finer details of pulling/splitting indoor dungeons. Finding competent & knowledgeable players and spending time with them in dungeons, even just a few play sessions, is what you need, plenty of easily gained XP outdoors.

The issue here is that the average bard on this server is a suckass little dickweed desperately in need of a 90+ day hiatus from video games. The few good bards are awesome, the few learning to become good bards are worth spending time with, the rest are a complete waste of bandwidth.

[Trouble]

As a bard that leveled from 2-60 by AE strafe kiting to 50 then low-hp kiting in bw & sf, the only players I don't like are most bards.

[Aksiom2k]

Trouble hates me.

I leveled to 50 before Kunark without ae kiting.

I have not spent a significant time ae kiting 50+.

I do not like bards who leveled up ae kiting but dont know wtf to do in a group.

You should be able to twist at least 4 songs at a time.

You should be able to mez at least 4 mobs at a time.

Do yourself a favor and get a group.

That is all.