Pre-Torpor: Cann II or Can III

[Exmo]

Just a note, at 54, you could solo Frenzy and get 1/4 of a JBB pretty quickly.

Or just keep getting in Seb Groups and you'll come up with some plat (or a JBB) eventually.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the responses everyone. It sounds like the Cann III users aren't really missing Cann II, which is encouraging. Out of curiosity, do you Cann III users (Yums and Zeonick) have Fungal Tunics?



I'm actually working on doing the quest a second time now, but even once I complete it I'll still be torn, because of course I can sell both copies. Since each copy is 3/40ths of a JBB, it's not so much a question of "do I spend 2-3 hours and 100 plat or not". Instead, it's a given that I'll spend those hours/plat, and a question of "Cann II vs. 3/40ths of a JBB".

When you look at it that way, do you still think the spell is worth 3/40ths of a JBB (to a level 54)? The JBB is so awesome, and I'm so poor ...

No fungi here. Have a rubicite Bp making me the most badass looking shaman.

In terms of the jbb, I don't have one either so in couldn't tell you it's worth. It's better than nothing but not worth 40k IMO.

[Zeonick]

I do not have a fungi. Dont focus too much on getting a jbb. 40k is a ton of plat for someone to farm on their sub-60 main. Just focus on getting levels and working on your epic. The epic is a far better item than the jbb, but both combined a great also.

[Estu]

I have to concur with the above posters - there are way more important things to save money for than a JBB. Fungi is much more useful, for one thing; for another, at high levels you'll need to buy some very expensive spells (e.g. Torpor).

[DrathMaximus]

At level 59 pox costs 20% of 2150 mana, and bane 22%. So after slow/root/epic/bane/pox you're down to 44% mana - Canni2 won't come close to regening it to 100% so you can JBbracer-nuke before the dots wear off. If you have trouble with hp falling too much/fast, just wait ~ 3 to 3.5 secs after each canni for that extra hp tick using Canni3.

[loramin]

Thanks again for all the responses. I'm surprised to hear that no one thinks the JBB is that important though: back on live it was considered necessary gear for every Shaman on the Shaman's Crucible forum. I had one myself (on live) back in the day, and I remember it being awesome, but then again it's been 10+ years (and I smoked a lot of pot), so my memories are a bit fuzzy.

Just a note, at 54, you could solo Frenzy and get 1/4 of a JBB pretty quickly.

I wish: I've tried doing Guk several times now and every time I go all of the good camps are taken. If I'm ever on during off hours maybe I'll give Frenzy a try.


As for focusing on other items ...

Epic - I've got max True Spirit faction, just waiting for my guild to do some more Fear runs
Fungal Tunic - Had one of these on live too, and would love to have one again, but I'll hit 40k for a JBB *long* before I hit 100k for a fungi (and if I ever do get 60k and the JBB I could always sell it)
Spells - A lot of these are very affordable (eg. Cannabalize III), and the ones that aren't (eg. Torpor) seem so expensive that I'll never be able to afford them anyway. I figured I'd just have to do a lot of Skyfire and Seb groups and hope that some drop and I win the roll.

Is there anything else I'm missing that I should be saving my plat for instead of a JBB?

[Aaron]

I never even got Canni II - too lazy.

Count me in the camp that says JBB isn't gamebreaking. It's okay, but not required. I camped mine, so didn't spend the money on it.

JBB is a 10 second cast timefor 263 dd. During the time it takes for a couple of JBB blasts, you could have Canni'd enough mana for another DoT usually.

Fungi is much more important.

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by Zeonick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah one thing i've noticed while soloing is that i'll go round up a couple mobs, get them positioned, rooted, dots started, etc. By this time i'm usually at 100% HP from sitting there regenning as i'm running about doing this. It's just nice to quickly pop a canni 3 in between casts to keep my hp down(never sit at 100% hp!) That's the main reason I switched to using canni 3. Also, canni 2 is only a little bit more efficient, yet canni 3 is faster.

Yeah, this. I never tend to care about efficiency because 1. I'm sitting at full health and canni now and then to make sure I never waste regen or 2. I need mana NOW (eg buffing a raid) and I'm counting on some heals from patch healers in my group to keep the mana pool full.

Regards,
Mg

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by Aaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

JBB is a 10 second cast timefor 263 dd. During the time it takes for a couple of JBB blasts, you could have Canni'd enough mana for another DoT usually.

Spamming JBB is nice as essentially a 200ish damage manaless "DOT" in addition to epic so you can burn targets down quickly instead of waiting 3-4 cycles of epic, which can be handy if you don't want adds from repops etc. especially once you get PE at 56 and often you can take a mob down to dead without breaking root. Or, killing greens for farming mats for hats and such like with 0 downtime. I still use mine all the time at 58.5. Of course I got mine for 20k so not sure if I could justify 40k when I'm trying to save for Torpor.

Regards,
Mg

[Byrjun]

I remember no one going out of their way on live to do Canni 2 because it was considered less efficient than the original Canni spell. Apparently here it's the most efficient Canni, which is strange to me. I know the spell eventually got buffed so all I can assume is that P99 is using incorrect spell information. Although apparently they have the spdat files from this era, so who knows what I'm talking about.

Anyways, I skipped Canni 2 and I did fine. That quest is absolutely insane for a level 39, and I'm not really sure what Verant was thinking with that. Even if Canni 2 is slightly better from 39 to 54, is it worth the effort or plat required to obtain it? I don't think so.

Plus, once you get decent regen (some combination of Regrowth/Fungi Staff, Fungi Tunic, Torpor) speed is much more relevant than efficiency. So Canni 2 quickly gets phased out anyways.

Regarding spending plat... don't do it. You need to buy Torpor at level 60 because no other shaman ability even begins to compare. About a year ago it was 70-90k... apparently nowadays it goes for 135-160k. Until you have a copy of Torpor in your bags, don't worry about anything else. I don't think JBB is overrated, but it's mainly a level 60 solo tool. Without Torpor it isn't very useful. Get your epic with your guild and root rot with your epic dot solo to 60... JBB doesn't help you at all with that.

Once you get 60, Torpor, and epic, then you can consider stuff like JBB, fungi tunic, puppet strings, etc. But don't get ahead of yourself. Being a shaman can be very expensive.