Worth going Paladin?

[Tuljin]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

haha you're very close! My paladin hatred goes back to my live days as a rogue, knockback stuns pushing mobs behind me, paladin buffs overwriting my atk buffs, paladins that didn't understand agro mechanics and would just stunlock mobs making positioning horrible.

this is precisely why i mention learning curve when talking about why people don't roll paladin. in order to be good at paladin you need to have good tank AND caster skills. you have to properly turn and position mobs (and know when to stunlock and when to use blind) you also need caster skills to know how to lull/break up camps, root park/split mobs properly, how to use stuns (and bash) to knock out casters, and also knowing when to toss out heals, cure poisons/diseases, and when to use LoH (either on yourself or a party member) you have to keep an eye on the casters in your group in case they get agro and you have to stun the mob and root park him safely (or just tank it) to keep your casters safe, which is normally the responsibility of a caster.

most people when rolling a melee class don't even consider this dimension of gameplay. they instantly only think "dps" hence why you get an iksar monk rolled (which also carries a hefty xp penalty btw), a warrior maybe, and sometimes they think sk cause it "out dps-es" paladin, but when you start stacking dots on an sk you quickly see your mana bar drain to nothing and the dps really isn't that exceptional.

in my experience on this server most people who play casters don't really have the best situational awareness. i point my finger at clerics cause most of them on the server don't do a damn thing besides heal, they never throw out a single root or stun. if there isn't an enc in a group to AOE mez every single shitty pull in a very haphazard way, there is no CC and you'll just end up sitting at zoneline LFG. root cc is usually plenty of cc if you are single pulling casters, and if not you make sure you root casters out of LOS. with melee mobs root CC is just fine.

with a pal you can take matters into your own hands. after playing warrior for a while i got sick of relying on others to take care of cc etc. if get a good dps class with you and a third party member (doesn't even have to be a healer necessarily) and you will steadily and quickly move the xp bar without dying. this is another point - all of these hypothetical "best" class situations are assuming a good player behind the toon, which certainly is not always the case. not dying and keeping the bar moving is the key to xp, not getting nuked to 30% on every pull and waiting till that one time the cleric is a little bit late on the CH, the group gets screwed, and you end up waiting a while before the xp bar moves again.

so yes, learning curve/general difficulty of the class is a major reason why nobody rolls a paladin. nobody thinks about what pal is capable of - people either wanna crank out dps and FD to save their own ass without having any other responsibilities (monk and sk), or they just wanna sit on their ass and heal or OHSHITOHSHITOHSHIT aoe mez (cle and enc)

the main point is that a good knight is good because of skill, not because of min/max. a good paladin is extremely powerful in the hardest zones of the game (undeads in hole, hs, and seb) its just that you don't see many of them out there =)

[Holey]

sk imo.

[Skittlez]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

haha you're very close! My paladin hatred goes back to my live days as a rogue, knockback stuns pushing mobs behind me, paladin buffs overwriting my atk buffs, paladins that didn't understand agro mechanics and would just stunlock mobs making positioning horrible.

A warrior friend and I shared this hatred and a lot of it came from him but it stuck around for nostalgia sake. Down with paladins!

Hates paladins.



Doesn't hate the bad player piloting the paladin.




Paladin is fucking awesome. This nonsense about not being able to solo is a sham too. 70% of mine has been solo and I rock that shit yo. Far better soloing than the other melee classes

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Skittlez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This nonsense about not being able to solo is a sham too. 70% of mine has been solo and I rock that shit yo. Far better soloing than the other melee classes

I like paladins but I don't buy this. Shadowknights and monks can fear-kite; that alone would make soloing with them a lot more efficient than with a paladin. You can cast weak undead nukes and heal yourself all you want, but you're going to spend a lot of mana on that. Monks get superior DPS and free self-heal; SKs get a pet and snares.

[Rhambuk]

my war was a beast solo, at least until 40 when i sold my account long before they banned it people don't get excited!

his dps was monstrous though, living under 20% for crips wasn't really fair for classic mobs though.

[Grommel]

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like paladins but I don't buy this. Shadowknights and monks can fear-kite; that alone would make soloing with them a lot more efficient than with a paladin. You can cast weak undead nukes and heal yourself all you want, but you're going to spend a lot of mana on that. Monks get superior DPS and free self-heal; SKs get a pet and snares.

I'm level 52 and it's been 99.95 solo. Not much of it was undead either, tbh, I found it more challenging to not stick with undead. I've shelved him for now until the xp nerf goes away come Velious, unless I get the itch again!

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Grommel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm level 52 and it's been 99.95 solo. Not much of it was undead either, tbh, I found it more challenging to not stick with undead. I've shelved him for now until the xp nerf goes away come Velious, unless I get the itch again!

I'm not saying you CAN'T solo as a paladin, just that it'll be slower than soloing with almost any other class.

[Grommel]

Oh that's definitely true, you don't solo as a paladin for the fast track to 60...it's more of a "enjoy the journey instead of the destination" kind of thing!!

[Erati]

Paladins are an ideal raid off tank, the problem is, there will not be that many times to shine in this aspect ( except for spite golems in Hate)

Tuljin above put it brilliantly, good paladins have to be good at tanking AND good at casting. I can't tell you how many times I have had to CC and heal for my group on my paly. Splitting camps with lull and root are things that can't be learned unless you play caster classes first. Without clarity you are not going to be killing much and it won't be fast but it gets the job done nicely.

You can also stun lock things with ease, and once you get above lvl 55 you can really start to dominate places like Seb and HS. Paladin is the thinking mans tank in groups, you always have to be on your toes, however if your group is beefcake being a paladin also turns into easy mode as after you drop 2 stuns the mob you are fighting isn't coming off you letting you tab out to forumquest

I would not recommend making a paladin if this is your first time playing EQ, for a main character or even untwinked ( it isn't expensive at all to twink them)

Being lvl 20 Paly with a Ghoulbane in Unrest might be some of the most fun times ever!

I lvled my paly to 60 without any easy mode Plvling, so it took forever but was a fun journey!

[Wulvgeng]

Originally Posted by Tuljin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

paladin is awesome if you are a good player - they have the strongest cc and mob parking skills of all the tanks. you can root and stun as well as blind for snap agro. if you pull multiple mobs you can root them yourself, and if they're casters you can chain interrupt them and they won't cast a single spell.

i have done some awesome duos/trios that wouldn't be possible with other classes. if you have enough dps in your group you can be your own healer because casters wont rape you every time they come into play. i duoed ghoul am in lguk with 46 pal and 45 epic rogue thanks to stuns, interrupts, and sword and board (and the am not resisting all my spells :P)

paladin is awesome, you just have to be good at eq to get the most out of them - theres a reason so few people on the server play them [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think another reason not many people play Pallys is that they have a 40% exp deficiency. I wouldnt ever play one because I have other things I want to do than kill 40% more mobs just to keep up with my buddies.