sham question.

[webrunner5]

Yeah, I agree Torpor sort of makes the JBB not as much needed. But Torpor is a 100k spell as of late and damn hard to even get IF you have the plat.

The point about Velious mobs summoning a lot does make good sense about making a Ogre. Mine is a Barb but I bet I will regret it in Velious.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ogre > Troll > Barbarian > Iksar

That being said, I play a Barbarian Shaman myself: there's really no wrong choce, just a more or less power game-y choice.

Yup, although Iksar are incredibly behind even Barbarians.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or maybe everyone just stopped caring because the JBB was garbage when you got to even higher levels?

JBB becomes obsolete around PoP.

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I agree Torpor sort of makes the JBB not as much needed.

These things aren't really related. In fact it's at 60 once you have Torpor when you'll be using the JBB the most. Mobs do a lot of damage when you're soloing them, even when slowed. You can put your mana towards Torpor / debuffs while using JBB and pet to DPS.

But Torpor is a 100k spell as of late and damn hard to even get IF you have the plat.

Upwards of 160k recently.

[BattleToad]

Troll is a rough road but the best choice.

JBB is really good and worth the cost.

Can easily solo 3-4 mobs in Karnors all day with just Epic/Root/JBB

and that's without* Fungi Tunic, Torpor, Bane, Pox, 55 Pet, or any pet.

[DeadL]

In my opinion Ogre frontal stun immunity is the strongest racial choice for shamans. I also believe when velious launches Iksar will become quite strong due to racial AC bonus, regen AND plate. (also they don't look like shit!)

Tomba!
60 Iksar Shaman

[rollin5k]

if i was me ( you're not ) i'd go with iksar. reason is because it doesn't really matter either way

[Infuriati]

If you had to choose between the two, go with troll. Jaundiced Bone Bracer, if you can afford one, is an extremely powerful tool for leveling. If you really wanted to min/max then go Ogre.

[Wudan]

Iksar FTW!

frontal stunn immunity - I have to lol @ ppl who believe its a huge advantage. Ive played Iksar shaman for 6 years total, not having stun immunity never stopped me from doing same stuff Ogres can do. It may help you here and there, it is a minor advantage. I take regen over stun immunity any day!

JBB - real men dont need that. It makes your life easier, but not being able to use it does not break the game for you, just makes you work little harder.


Iksars will always have AC bonus & regen, plate will come with Velious. They will be arguably the best shaman race in Velious end game.

P.S. Dont forget the most important thing! They look BOSS! I for one could not play a character that looks like bag of shit! You are gonna be staring at him for a very long time so make sure you are ok with the looks. Some ppl dont care, some do.

[EliteJackson]

Originally Posted by Wudan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P.S. Dont forget the most important thing! They look BOSS!

I disagree with everything else this man said, but Iksar shaman with an epic look pimpin.

Ogre stun immunity is huge. JBB is mega huge if you buy one eaely. These things can allow you to pull off shenanigans that would be fatal to other shaman. If solo shenanigans is your goal, ogre.

And just forget Torpor. Don't include it in making your decision.

That said, my shaman is an Iksar.

[Wudan]

Originally Posted by EliteJackson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ogre stun immunity is huge. JBB is mega huge if you buy one eaely

Tell me how huge is it? Be specific. Is there anything Iksar can not do because of not having it?

60lvl shaman can live without JBB, no problem there. Sure its a good twinking item if you can afford it. Definitely not huge in the long run though.

Puppet strings are huge. JBB is not.

P.S. If you think Iksars are behind in Velious end game, you dont know your class/race all too well imho.

[Loadim]

Thanks for your responses guys

So i sat at the class creation screen last night and cycled through the races... Quite alot.. Had some dinner.. Checked out ec... Went back to the char screen.. (This process lasted a while..

I in the end picked the class i wanted to play more than others. Iksar was created. Never played iksar before (not classic anyway) so new journey.. Also.. Tail!!

Started the grind going well. I have tried troll now.. The running troll irritates me.. So i knew i couldnt get into the race (shallow maybe but hey) ogre seem ok bit for me iksar seems to have stuck!

Cheers guys