Server Raid Rules - New and Improved

[rioisk]

*gets the popcorn ready*

[Datante]

A what-if situation:

Guild A is sitting in SolB with a 15+ raid force. Guild B starts to enter the zone, so Guild A moves into a proper camping position within aggro radius of Nagafen's spawn point to claim rights to the mob.

Time passes. At some point Guild C and Guild D enter the zone.

When Nagafen spawns, the environment looks like this:
-Guild A is in aggro range (with 15 in the Lair, and another 15 or so outside the area, around the wall).
-Guild B, Guild C and Guild D all have 15+ in Tranix's throne room, not interfering with Guild A.

So, Guild A gets aggro (rightful, clear claim), but cannot hold aggro consistently due to AFKs (the idea was to pull Naggy back to the wall as per the common tactic). Small wipe of the first 15 near the spawn. Naggy resets. The other guilds rush forward.

Are all four guilds now free to aggro him and lay claim? How can they possibly tell who engages him first when 50 people zerg the dragon immediatey after the first guild temporarily loses aggro?

[Humwawa]

Perhaps we're expected to play civilly with each other. That's my guess.

[Webwolf]

So we will have less GM interference, less camping and more competition? FFA in a nutshell. I like it.

[Noleafclover]

Originally Posted by Datante [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A what-if situation:

Guild A is sitting in SolB with a 15+ raid force. Guild B starts to enter the zone, so Guild A moves into a proper camping position within aggro radius of Nagafen's spawn point to claim rights to the mob.

Time passes. At some point Guild C and Guild D enter the zone.

When Nagafen spawns, the environment looks like this:
-Guild A is in aggro range (with 15 in the Lair, and another 15 or so outside the area, around the wall).
-Guild B, Guild C and Guild D all have 15+ in Tranix's throne room, not interfering with Guild A.

So, Guild A gets aggro (rightful, clear claim), but cannot hold aggro consistently due to AFKs (the idea was to pull Naggy back to the wall as per the common tactic). Small wipe of the first 15 near the spawn. Naggy resets. The other guilds rush forward.

Are all four guilds now free to aggro him and lay claim? How can they possibly tell who engages him first when 50 people zerg the dragon immediatey after the first guild temporarily loses aggro?

As spawn windows close (<5 hours), I think this certainly will happen (I don't think we'll all be polite and sit far far away in tranix's room =p).

But I think a player-made rule of FCFS at that point, just like at any restaurant or the DMV, or a dev addition of that (though it seems they want to keep it very simple) fixes the problem.

[Emoqq]

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[Loke]

I personally have no problem with these new rules and prefer them to the old ones. I'd put away the popcorn though, because I don't think they're really going to change all that much. We'll see.

[Dukat]

While I think these rules are a massive improvement, theres still a very large GM presence in our raid scene. People can still get banned, people are still going to petition, players are still going to cry to mommy and daddy when things do not go as planned.

Honestly I'd rather be looking over my shoulder watching for trains and ninjas, then to look over my shoulder watching my whole guild get banned because of petitions over some "he said she said". Or having to run fraps 24/7 in an attempt to catch the other guild redhanded and tell on them like its the school playground (I've never been a tattletale and im not looking to start now).

All in all, gratitude to Nilbog for loosening his grip on the raid scene a touch. I know it is not easy to satisfy the various demands of a growing playerbase. I urge the raiding scene to act responsibly with the trust the GM's have extended to us. I also hope that eventually the GM's will build enough confidence in our guild leaders to cut the apron strings and let us handle the endless drama on our own.

Dukat 50 SK [SUSPENDED]
Dural 28 Wizard

[nerfed]

So we can leap frog guilds clearing fear for CT right? Need zone / boss specific rules.

[Holey]

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