President Obama is calling me a dyke?

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by moklianne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly, it was the same during GW's reign. Nothing to see here.

[radditsu]

For real do you guys not remember George W Bush?


Crap on a cracker guys. I remember George W Bush. It wasn't that long ago.


2 wars, my friends dead, Barry had to kill bin laden? Only good thing he ever did, unintentonally, is create a power vaccum where Kurds can get basically sovereignty in Northern Iraq? Oh and he gave people an IRS check that one time.


I mean Barry isn't a great president but for fucks sake guys perspective.

[stonez138]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For real do you guys not remember George W Bush?


Crap on a cracker guys. I remember George W Bush. It wasn't that long ago.


2 wars, my friends dead, Barry had to kill bin laden? Only good thing he ever did, unintentonally, is create a power vaccum where Kurds can get basically sovereignty in Northern Iraq? Oh and he gave people an IRS check that one time.


I mean Barry isn't a great president but for fucks sake guys perspective.

But....But....socialism! FOX NEWS said so! OMG He's destroying America!

But seriously lets not forget government sanctioned torture, hurricane Katrina ("Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job.") and the patriot act.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For real do you guys not remember George W Bush?


Crap on a cracker guys. I remember George W Bush. It wasn't that long ago.


2 wars, my friends dead, Barry had to kill bin laden? Only good thing he ever did, unintentonally, is create a power vaccum where Kurds can get basically sovereignty in Northern Iraq? Oh and he gave people an IRS check that one time.


I mean Barry isn't a great president but for fucks sake guys perspective.

I've never liked Bush. But I'm more concerned about the present and future at this point. Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act, allowing presidents for the first time ever the power to have the military pick up anyone anywhere in the world and hold them indefinitely without charges. Yes, that also applies to us regular citizens here at home. Doesn't that bother you?

[stonez138]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've never liked Bush. But I'm more concerned about the present and future at this point. Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act, allowing presidents for the first time ever the power to have the military pick up anyone anywhere in the world and hold them indefinitely without charges. Yes, that also applies to us regular citizens here at home. Doesn't that bother you?

It does. I'm also concerned with him killing U.S. citizens without a trial. It sets a frightening precedent and who is to say that future presidents won't do the same thing here at home instead of just abroad.

[Glenzig]

Haven't all presidents been not good?

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haven't all presidents been not good?

lincoln, jefferson, madison, both roosevelts, wilson, kennedy, and andrew jackson were pretty dang good for their times.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lincoln, jefferson, madison, both roosevelts, wilson, kennedy, and andrew jackson were pretty dang good for their times.

No they weren't. We're just far enough removed from their presidencies that we are no longer privy to all of the info. Its easy to glorify people when you can employ revisionists history.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No they weren't. We're just far enough removed from their presidencies that we are no longer privy to all of the info. Its easy to glorify people when you can employ revisionists history.

hence "for their times". not to mention revisionist history adheres to current conservative politics in order to create different views of heroism. politics is a dirty game, but don't go bashing with that "we can't really know history" bullshit-amateur-nihilist argument.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hence "for their times". not to mention revisionist history adheres to current conservative politics in order to create different views of heroism. politics is a dirty game, but don't go bashing with that "we can't really know history" bullshit-amateur-nihilist argument.

Well the same argument could be made that they were truly evil "for their times" also. All I'm saying is that what you're taught in a history class about how great a lot of these guys were is just a cherry picking of historical facts at best. At worst its completely dishonest about what actually happened or omits any info that would shine a bad light on them. So no its not that "we can't really know history", its that you can't really trust history books. History is written by the victors after all.