How much native american influence you think america had as a democracy and culture?

[Toony]

Originally Posted by Jimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's always someone who has to chime in with this. You realize that it is possible to have more than one word which can be used to describe a government, right?

Federal constitutional republic more specifically.

[Toony]

Originally Posted by Jimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's always someone who has to chime in with this. You realize that it is possible to have more than one word which can be used to describe a government, right?

Oh and btw, great second post.

[Taxi]

I wont get dragged into a flame war, although i kind of expected it and why i posted in R&F. If you think that native americans in general were evil or whatever, feel free to post why you think they were baby-murdering sun worshiping heathens.

[Polyphemous]

You are making a massive leap of causality. Perhaps some of the progressive things you list existed in some Indian cultures; but did those specific cultures pass those traits on to the European settlers?

You also seem to assume that if you can find 1 tribe that has a particular progressive trait that all Indian tribes had that trait. For every tribe that had some element of women's rights, there were 100 that beat the shit out of their women and made them do most of the work. Some of the earliest settlers were shocked to see Indian women made to do all the back breaking field work while the men lazed around at home smoking tobacco.

[Taxi]

Also, when i mean America... i mean... America, not the united states.

[Dukat]

Only in R&F do you find people flaming each other over history HW... lol

[Noleafclover]

Taxi: How much native american influence you think america had as a democracy and culture?

Threeve.

[Thrynn]

Originally Posted by PhelanKA [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More like a whole life spent in Quebec hating white people and Western culture. He's the same kinda moron that will rant about how horrible the US is and refer to Iran as peaceful and tolerant in the same breath.

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He's a bleeding heart liberal troll at it's finest.

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Originally Posted by Toony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Republic.

+1 Welcome to level 50

Originally Posted by PhelanKA [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess what I meant to say is: You're an idiot. Shut the fuck up. You don't know shit about Native Americans. Sitting around talking to resolve disputes? Yeah, the European colonists did the same thing. It's called "Diplomacy", dipshit. And I find it hilarious that you think the Iriqois and Aztec were some sort of progressive cultures. Get a clue. They sacrificed babies to the fucking sun.

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No roads, primitive economics, inadequate primitive farming, no wheels, no written language, scalpings, ritual human sacrifice, rivers of blood flowing down the steps of aztec pyramids as still living hearts are cut out of the victim's chests, ball games where one team is ritually slaughtered at the end of the match.

These are but cross section of the customs of the noble native.

[Sorn]

Originally Posted by Thrynn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No roads, primitive economics, inadequate primitive farming, no wheels, no written language, scalpings, ritual human sacrifice, rivers of blood flowing down the steps of aztec pyramids as still living hearts are cut out of the victim's chests, ball games where one team is ritually slaughtered at the end of the match.

These are but cross section of the customs of the noble native.

???

Erm, well, aside from the fact that you seem to be lumping several different peoples together...

Figure 1: The Mayans built large paved roads between ancient cities that still exist today and can be traveled on. Other peoples would have had well-traveled roads as well.

Figure 2: This is the Mayan writing system. The Mexica had a similar system, and the Olmec probably had one as well, though no evidence of such has turned up yet.

Agriculture was well-developed within Aztec society. It was probably more efficient and less work than US agriculture today, as a matter of fact. At least they wouldn't be caught having to turn all the excess corn into liquor in a desperate attempt to not go bankrupt as the surplus in the market causes prices to drop.

Important war captives were primarily used as sacrifices. Babies were not used. For example, 'los danzantes' (the dancers) are a large group of carvings representing war captives in various states of sacrifice, and each have a specific name written in hieroglyphics. Kings and nobility would have been much more likely to be sacrificed than any other person. They would have also been forced to participate (and lose) in the ritual ball games where the losers were killed.

The Europeans, of course, eventually swooped in, spread their plagues, took the gold they saw, burned nearly all the manuscripts in an attempt to exorcise the devil from Mesoamerica, converted or enslaved or killed the natives, and left behind the broken remnants of a people that most today consider vicious, baby-slaughtering, bloody-minded, uncivilized inferior savages with no proper form of society to be seen, who only know how to do war whoops and say things like, "Me big chief!" while beating their chests when they're not dismembering innocent children to appease their barbarian gods.

[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by Sorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

???

Erm, well, aside from the fact that you seem to be lumping several different peoples together...

Figure 1: The Mayans built large paved roads between ancient cities that still exist today and can be traveled on. Other peoples would have had well-traveled roads as well.

Figure 2: This is the Mayan writing system. The Mexica had a similar system, and the Olmec probably had one as well, though no evidence of such has turned up yet.

Agriculture was well-developed within Aztec society. It was probably more efficient and less work than US agriculture today, as a matter of fact. At least they wouldn't be caught having to turn all the excess corn into liquor in a desperate attempt to not go bankrupt as the surplus in the market causes prices to drop.

Important war captives were primarily used as sacrifices. Babies were not used. For example, 'los danzantes' (the dancers) are a large group of carvings representing war captives in various states of sacrifice, and each have a specific name written in hieroglyphics. Kings and nobility would have been much more likely to be sacrificed than any other person. They would have also been forced to participate (and lose) in the ritual ball games where the losers were killed.

The Europeans, of course, eventually swooped in, spread their plagues, took the gold they saw, burned nearly all the manuscripts in an attempt to exorcise the devil from Mesoamerica, converted or enslaved or killed the natives, and left behind the broken remnants of a people that most today consider vicious, baby-slaughtering, bloody-minded, uncivilized inferior savages with no proper form of society to be seen, who only know how to do war whoops and say things like, "Me big chief!" while beating their chests when they're not dismembering innocent children to appease their barbarian gods.

He's a fucking idiot. You can't fix stupid.