game economy

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by a_pet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks, Alan Greenspan.

i lol'd.

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by Thulghor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One thing that does burn my bacon is when I go to tank for a group and everyone there is fully twinked out in 50-100k plat worth of gear. While this in of itself isn't a problem (better gear means that they'll generally perform better, and we'll get more exp) the level of ridicule (why don't you have Yaks + FBSS yet? Lol! Noob!) I get sometimes gets rather old.

This is EXACTLY what drove me away from Live, being a warrior without a "Sugar Daddy" and taking all sorts of shit and abuse about my pitiful gear compared to the $100k twinks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Having these necros/mages turned PLed/twinked tanks give shitty advice on technique made it excruciating [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alas, the raider mentality is that somehow the casuals haven't earned anything (something thats been repeated many times on the forum) despite the fact that casuals quest stuff, not buy it, sit in on a guild permacamp, or farm a broken plane every time it pops, and casuals have probably played in almost every zone in the game, not been PLed in the usual progression of ZEM zones. If casuals buy stuff it's because they've done a plat-making quest innumerable times (eg Stein of Moggok run number 14 for me!) or crafted items to raise plat. To me casuals have earned their gear just as much as raiders have... but I don't expect the attitude will change.

Regards,
Mg

[lyyfeleech]

Something is "worth" what someone is willing to pay...period.

[Dominick]

Originally Posted by Thulghor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think because it's a rant of sort. :-P

Its OK.

Originally Posted by Thulghor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was trying to keep threat off of two fully twinked rogues who didn't know how to press the evade key, and a fully kitted out bard who kept telling me to "spam press the taunt key to get more aggro." My experiences since then have been far more pleasant. :-)

I can't stand this.

The rogue is a hard class because everything is skill and timing. Those you can't get with twinks.

How often do you back stab? Not as often as it refreshes, its as often as you can avoid getting aggro off the MT. I used to have a hot key that did a backstab - attack off - evade - attack on. My "I got aggro" key was attack off - evade - /say "I got aggro"

Every rogue should be evading as much as possible. They should never have beg or pickpocket in a macro for a group. How many twinks do you think have either or both mashed?

Most of the time I could BS as much as I wanted. Like now... :-)

[Sizzle]

Warrior was the first toon i rolled here now im 50 in my indi. ive got 2 yaks, some other loot. But i started with nothing. I dont claim to be a trade god and I did very little trading my entire time here. Warriors cant farm for crap either. I did some sol a farming picked up a few items from BNB/royals while i leveled, sold that stuff off but i didnt have an FBSS till well into 50 and I used 2x OB shards through level 50 as well. Never had too hard a time finding groups. I usually had someone throw me on a list and sat near camp waiting for a spot. Not everyone is always going to take the better geared player not everyone sees someone for their gear. Skill > gear.

[Malrubius]

Originally Posted by lyyfeleech [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Something is "worth" what someone is willing to pay...period.

Not exactly. I think the OP is implying price-fixing. Which does exist here (it's largely illegal in RL).


If all the gas stations in the country colluded, and agreed to charge $6 a gallon for gas, a LOT of people would still buy the gas.

Does that mean people are "willing" to pay it? Sure, I guess so.

Does that mean it's "worth" that much? It depends on your definition of "worth". But you could easily argue that it is worth it since people still buy it.

Some people would still buy it at $1000 per gallon. Still worth it? Yeah, to those people.


The OP is saying (I think) that, yeah, fbss *IS* worth 15k. But, it is ALSO an artificially inflated price.

It would even be "worth" 50k if they even more effectively cornered the market on fbss and all other comparable items.

Sincerely,
Alan Greenspan

[Fawqueue]

I agree with the OP that the prices lately have taken a steady rise, and are not what we would have previous considered reasonable. I see this a lot in MMOs...unless there is constantly an item for comparison up for auction, the price seems to fluctuate (and usually end up going higher). In most cases, people will realize that the item worth 10k being sold at 15k isn't worth it, and just wait it out. If they did that, the seller would come around and lower his asking price. However, on p99 you have the combination of people with too much time, money, and impatience. So instead of letting the market adjust itself, as soon as there isn't a single FBSS up for sale the first person to say "WTS FBSS 17k" has a good chance of finding that lazy but flush 50 sitting in the tunnel thinking he'd rather just buy it today instead of risk not having it tomorrow.

One item I noticed as getting a little ridiculous was the Braided Cinch Cord. Thing is common as shit and used to be 100-150p. Yesterday, saw multiple sellers trying to get 1-1.5k out of this. Really? When his rare drop is only selling for 800-900?

[Omnimorph]

You're looking at the top end of the server, more and more people get 50, and realise "hey, there's not much to do here at 50... guess i'll twink out a <new class>" and they farm whatever it is they can farm, buy the items they want.

With more and more people doing this, and people being generally lazy and wanting to get their items nao rather than later, they pay over what is considered the "normal" price for items like fbss, and enough of these sales gets the item pegged at that price for everyone.

Sucks for the level 45 warrior who started with nothing and can farm nothing because he can't afford to buy one, and like mentioned the camps are usually tied down constantly.

But hey, that's just the way it goes.

[Eccentricaa]

Originally Posted by mgellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is EXACTLY what drove me away from Live, being a warrior without a "Sugar Daddy" and taking all sorts of shit and abuse about my pitiful gear compared to the $100k twinks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Having these necros/mages turned PLed/twinked tanks give shitty advice on technique made it excruciating [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My solution is simple. I dont group with twinks, and will tell them why I dont want them in my group. Biggest reason is most twinks are not good players that know their character inside and out. They leveled too fast to have capped skills. They also dont tend to work well as a team, and have personalities that tend to lack any desirable traits.

I didnt come to 1999, to have it easy. If I wanted easy, Id play wow.

I came to 1999 because of the challenges the old world had to offer.

I dont want to be power leveled by some super twink and his box, uumm, i mean friend sitting outside of the group.

[Anaiyah]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm frustrated that I know for a fact FBSS is worth 10-12k, however I must sell it for 16k+ as I am a capitalist. We are all aware that; there is a heady abundance of them on p1999, they are perma camped 24/7, and their precedent value is worth no more than 12k.

So, what do I do? Sell it for what I know it's worth (11ish) and take the loss upon myself? My intent would be to start a trend to adjust the inflated price, but one single FBSS sold under current value does not accomplish this.

Shitty situation, I'm not looking to rip anybody off, but I have to..

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