WTT Current state of the economy

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Gorgetrapper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or, there are people dupe hacking in off vendor areas and you guys know nothing about it. I was in South Qeynos the other day and I literally saw 1996 Platinum Ruby Veils for sale on a baker/muffin vendor. Lets just say, the GMs said the culprit was caught, but didn't say who it was.
So if you guys think that "it's because people know what they're doing now" is a good excuse, I don't believe it is. There is so much plat on this server from small-large dupe hacking, that's it has already circulated through the server and it would be catastrophic (huge rollback) that it would hurt the server more than help it.

Knowing the game does help, but with people constantly buying accounts on a daily basis over 70K+, and magical nearly 2k items on a vendor just appear, you begin to wonder if it's because of past knowledge of the game, or just simple hacking.

I commend you for bringing this to the GMs attention, sir! Hopefully whatever vulnerability was used to accomplish this has been fixed.

[citizen1080]

Dupers just hurt us all =(

Good job reporting

I've had a guy ask me to let him dupe a super high end item and he would cut me in for half the copies. I reported him =/

[oldhead]

people always say the prices are so high compared to classic here... its funny. Besides a few famed items the prices are really lower.

[oldhead]

The only way duping will INCREASE prices of all items is if the duping is of high end vendor items. e.g. more plat on the server. If the GM's kept logs of vendor transactions that should be very easy to spot and find out who is doing that rather quickly.

Any player to player items like manastones and such will only make that item hold less value.

[citizen1080]

qft

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I commend you for bringing this to the GMs attention, sir! Hopefully whatever vulnerability was used to accomplish this has been fixed.

People mentioned seeing hundreds of other gems and sellables on particular npcs quite awhile back when nilbog declared there was no such thing as duping. If theyre still seeing it happen chances are nothing has been done about it.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People mentioned seeing hundreds of other gems and sellables on particular npcs quite awhile back when nilbog declared there was no such thing as duping. If theyre still seeing it happen chances are nothing has been done about it.

There's also the possibility that these items are legitimately being sold by people who crafted them just to get jewelcrafting skillups or money faster than if they sold them in EC. Also, most of the time these items are on NPC's like jewelers who naturally would have had lots of jewelcrafters sell these items to them over time. Unless people have proof that some kind of duping is going on they really shouldn't stir up hysteria. There's no evidence that "nothing has been done about it" - just because they don't publish every ban doesn't mean the ban didn't happen. I assume they have ways of accounting for the excess plat that gets distributed among people to keep inflation at an acceptable level too.

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's also the possibility that these items are legitimately being sold by people who crafted them just to get jewelcrafting skillups or money faster than if they sold them in EC. Also, most of the time these items are on NPC's like jewelers who naturally would have had lots of jewelcrafters sell these items to them over time. Unless people have proof that some kind of duping is going on they really shouldn't stir up hysteria. There's no evidence that "nothing has been done about it" - just because they don't publish every ban doesn't mean the ban didn't happen. I assume they have ways of accounting for the excess plat that gets distributed among people to keep inflation at an acceptable level too.

This works if it was only jewelcraft combined items being found in large quantities on merchants, but ive heard of many hundreds of gems being found on the same merchant, and not even jewelcraft related ones.

[amishriot]

actually i wasn't surprised to see FBBS going for 15k when i started in 2000 that was about normal, maybe 12kish if you were lucky. GEBS went for 9-12k. What made my jaw drop was the person who said he sold 3 AoNs for 300k+. I mean wtf...

How does anyone get their hands on 3 of something thats so rare that is worth that much That seems a bit dodgey. 3 diff people had more then 300k to pay for it, thats insane.

I am glad to hear not everyone is filthy rich though. Most importantly im thinking "Come on you damn client I wanna plaaaay!!"

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's already been stated, but i'll flesh out the point a little more.

Most of the people who play this game are of the population that enjoyed the game thoroughly, and therefore eventually learned how to play the game well. They know how to make cash and they know that FBSS has kind of a corner on items of its type for the time being. Because the ins and outs of the game are so much more well known than they were in 1999/2000, the money supply has exploded and therefore prices stay high, because people don't have to wait all that long to sell items at inflated prices.

People who complain about inflated prices probably don't understand that all the items they sell are probably inflated as well, and therefore they make money faster.

I don't understand the complaint. It's like complaining when someone else has 10k plat when you only have 1k, but not complaining when they have 5k and you have 500pp. The difference between here and live isn't all that great, except for specific items for which the population knows the future...

i agree with you on the reasoning.

the only thing i would add is that there is a valid complaint. for lower level folks the inflation only affects them on the buying side. most items that can be farmed below lvl 30 are not much pricier than they were on live. the cash loot drops don't sell for more than they did on live. the money making quests don't give more than they did on live. So for lower lvl players, the inflation can seem very difficult if they are trying to buy higher end items at low lvl. they can remember saving up and buying certain gear by certain lvl on live, and here might not be able to afford it by that lvl now.

for higher level folks the inflation really doesn't matter, like you said. when you sell you benefit from the inflation, when you buy you pay more. somewhat balances out.

the inflation, however, does increase the gap that existed in classic between certain classes money making. NECs/MAGs especially can get FAR more benefit from the inflation than a WAR can, for example. Of course, this benefit has always existed (i.e. was not created by P1999), but the relative advantage is increased on this server.