Would PoP be considered classic if it was released before Luclin?

[Brocode]

Nerf bards aoe kiting Plane of Valor please...

sorry just pre seeing the never happening future.

[apio]

Originally Posted by Rararboker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think most peoples definition of "Classic" has a lot to do with who developed that expansion. Luclin/PoP were the first expansions made after Sony bought out EQ from Verant. I think anyway. I don't know the history of EQ that well so it is the first thought that comes to mind. Might be right, might not be.

As far as I know the game always belonged to Sony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Online_Entertainment

a very common misconception, you are not the only one who thought "sony destroyed the game" when in reality they also brought us everything that we loved about the game [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Edit: And all the PoP hate is amazing. Can not believe people still blame the PoK book and Nexus/Bazaar for the game dying. I guess you gotta believe in SOMETHING am I right?

[Briscoe]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There were some good things to luclin. And some not so much. Emp 1.0 that DT every 2 min would be cool.

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This doesn't sound fun to you?

Originally Posted by Tigole

Fix your goddamn buggy bullshit half-assed encounters. The amount of time we dedicated to get our keys to see this guy die and take a turn at the Emperor is just sick. To finally see Blood die only to have the ENTIRE raid DT'd from anywhere in the room was simply an insult. Blood dies, there are two earrings on the corpse, yet no matter where you are in the room, the Emperor DT's. So congrats rot on those. It's cheap enough to make a mob DT in the first place. But to have his agro radius extend to the entire room is ridiculous. So let me get this straight -- and this is how you guys envisioned this in San Diego: You spend months farming keys to get up to the room. Months farming Shissar Bane weapons (and the recipe is where?). You kill Blood while dealing with 8 other snakes in the room. And immediately after that fight you're supposed to engage the DEATHTOUCHING-FROM-ANYWHERE-IN-THE-ROOM Emperor along with the 8 snakes? Whoever came up with this sheer *fisting* of an encounter can go fuck themselves.

[Calibretto]

Tigole, author of the most entertaining front page updates I've ever read. Triton's were pretty good while zaar was doing them too.

[Diro]

Bypassing Luclin would be so badass. If they added Luclin it would just spread everyone out far too much IMO, for people that are leveling. Luclins endgame is fuckin shit anyhow. Who likes to afk raid in VT?

PoP would be a fuckin gold mine, I don't think anyone can complain about that. The only downside is the books. It completely destroys ports and socialization. Not to mention Rangers would be happy. Level cap increase, AA's, more progression etc. etc. etc.

It simply increases endgame (which is like 90% of the server?) while leaving classic alone. It must be done.

BoT enchanter pet farming anyone?

[Pringles]

They have talked about maybe adding POP zones / planes here that are accessible though classic zones only. Would be sweet imo but I'm sure 5+ years out.

[sox7d]

10/10 question, this thread.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Pringles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They have talked about maybe adding POP zones / planes here that are accessible though classic zones only. Would be sweet imo but I'm sure 5+ years out.

In another post one of the devs (possibly Haynar?) said that if they ever did custom content it would be purely custom, not a revamp of existing EQ zones. Apparently it's a lot easier for them to make new zones than it is to re-create existing ones.

Not saying it won't happen, but I wouldn't hold my breath (even after 5+ years).

[sox7d]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as I know the game always belonged to Sony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Online_Entertainment

a very common misconception, you are not the only one who thought "sony destroyed the game" when in reality they also brought us everything that we loved about the game [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Edit: And all the PoP hate is amazing. Can not believe people still blame the PoK book and Nexus/Bazaar for the game dying. I guess you gotta believe in SOMETHING am I right?

Yeah, in highschool (2006) I got in fights with this kid whose dad worked on Everquest who said how sony always owned EQ, they wouldn't have made nearly as much money without pumping out expansions which is what businesses are for and I was fucking retarded.

Ran into him randomly 5 years later in a completely different state, he's pretty cool.

[Daldaen]

Skipping from Velious -> PoP would be neat, but so much great stuff would be missed from Luclin.

All the General-Archetype-Class AAs -- Likely could still just add this to PoP
Luclin Spells - Group Aego, Group Marzin(Symbol), Group Elixir, Group Haste, KEI, AE Chorus (Regen or PR/DR/MR or FR/CR/MR) songs, Druid CH, No-Reagant Lev/EB, etc. etc.
**Many Luclin spells were limited to a single mob or camp, which made them more "questy" to obtain. Kunark/Velious spells are almost all just RNG based on whether you roll the dice and get Torpor or Aego to drop. Whereas Luclin had some great spell camps. No-reagent Lev was a single mob in the corner of the Deep. No-reagant EB was a single vampire in the Tenebrous castle. The AE Resist songs were limited to certain mobs as well.
Luclin Quests - There were some great ones. The Earring of Solstice was fantastic. Loyalist Shield of Honor was good fun, great 50 AC tank back. Seru Earring chain was awesome. I seem to recall many being a fan of the Shield of Bane Warding as well.
Luclin Tradeskills - So many good changes came to TSes in Luclin, it set the groundwork for PoP TS. See above Earring of Solstice quests for examples. Updated Cultural armor (Rallos Zek warrior armor was amazing). The steins with CHA/Mana etc.

And I would miss some of those fights.

Ssra and Akheva Ruins had some great raids.

High Priestess, the fight of 12 adds that chain respawn
Cursed, the fight of Charms, DTs, AE FDs and fun DoTs
Creator, learn2rampage tank and cure tanks
Arch Lich/Rhag 2, permarooted fights ftw
Emperor, a GREAT all-around fight. CC control, Off-tank control, Bane-weapons encouraged group-questing to advance your raiding power, Cure-control

Shei was probably the best Luclin fight mechanics wise, it had everything.

Fake mobs
Offtankable or charmable adds
Death Touches (you could negate the first with DA if clever)
Adds spawning upon death (first fight to penalize zerging)
Mana drain floor trap

Vex Thal did suck though. Once you had CotH bots parked around the zone it was more manageable but... Still was just a boring loot pinata. A loot pinata that allowed you to progress further into PoP if you didn't have the numbers to brute force your way past certain fights.