Pros and cons of rotation

[Sampten]

Originally Posted by Oakengroves [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember this strange thing back in classic that does not happen with regularity here:

having one main character (and one or two lower-level alts, at most) and staying logged-into that character for extended periods of time.

It's pretty safe to assume that a large number of 60's here are camped out at certain strategic locations.

The server is broken for various reasons.

First off is the timeline has been stuck on the same thing for years. There's a reason why they made expansions....

Secondly, the game literally ends at level 60. What else do you do? You roll another character. Shorty of maybe doing a camp for a specific piece of gear (or raid), the game is over. People hate Luclin because of cats on the moon but in reality Luclin brought with it AAs, which essentially ended the "end of the game". You now had a purpose to continue to XP, so that you could obtain AAs, which improved your character.

Thirdly, and this is somewhat sad, but Velious doesn't fix any of this. The level cap is still 60. There are no AAs. Nothing changes, other than a few more raid mobs, still not enough to withstand all the guilds/players that are already maxed leveled.

[Ezalor]

You should have specified "GM-enforced" in the title of the thread.

[Oakengroves]

The classic argument in favor of a forced rotation is strong.

Everyone ignores the most intuitive argument, however:

Who in their right mind actually enjoys garbage like extended tracking, poopsocking, batphones, waking up at 4:30 AM to snipe raid bosses, and why do they derive enjoyment from it? Why do so many defend it?

I those who subscribe to such values are a tiny minority. Yet, the values of this minority override common sense, basic notions of pleasure, and the values of most people, who enjoy raiding but hate boredom.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

[harnold]

Originally Posted by Oakengroves [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The classic argument is the strongest.

Everyone ignores the most intuitive argument, however:

Who in their right mind actually enjoys garbage like extended tracking, batphones, waking up at 4:30 AM to snipe raid bosses and why do they derive enjoyment from it?

I those who subscribe to such values are a tiny minority. Yet, the values of this minority override common sense and the values of most people, who enjoy raiding but hate boredom.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

Very well said

[Man0warr]

Yeah I almost never play my raid character - always camped out at WC or KC.

[Swish]

posting in an Lron thread

[Ezalor]

Here, here. The common man favors a GM-enforced rotation.

[Man0warr]

Thirdly, and this is somewhat sad, but Velious doesn't fix any of this. The level cap is still 60. There are no AAs. Nothing changes, other than a few more raid mobs, still not enough to withstand all the guilds/players that are already maxed leveled.

It's a lot more mobs, but if the population goes up proportionately (and I wouldn't be surprised if we were hitting 3k players nightly at the start) then yeah it won't help much.

[squarez]

Originally Posted by harnold [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cons:
-Will take significantly longer to get raid drops, meaning it will take longer to get best in slot. (4+ years of kunark so far, velious era will be here for the rest of p99's life once it gets released so this isnt really an issue)

Keep in mind to be part of a rotation, the guild has to actually be able to clear the content successfully. Maybe put a time limit on the time to clear the desired rotation so that people who struggle cannot just attempt to clear over the course of a week. Can't imagine people unable to handle Kunark content, but Velious will definitely be challenging. That in mind, I don't think the rotation pool will be that large if it incorporates those people.

All for rotations of certain content, although I think there does need to be some designation of FFA targets. The FFA competition is still an interesting part of the game and classic (as were rotations on some servers), should not get rid of either completely.

[harnold]

Originally Posted by squarez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep in mind to be part of a rotation, the guild has to actually be able to clear the content successfully. Maybe put a time limit on the time to clear the desired rotation so that people who struggle cannot just attempt to clear over the course of a week. Can't imagine people unable to handle Kunark content, but Velious will definitely be challenging. That in mind, I don't think the rotation pool will be that large if it incorporates those people.

All for rotations of certain content, although I think there does need to be some designation of FFA targets. The FFA competition is still an interesting part of the game and classic (as were rotations on some servers), should not get rid of either completely.

yes in the case of a wipe, maybe then the mob goes FFA would work