Rogue Questions...

[Ridic]

Originally Posted by Eccentricaa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IMO, nothing looks worse than a rogue that cant open a door. It shows how little time you have invested in your character.

Rogue's can pick locks? Sick!

[Hasbinbad]

@OP

People are spinning you a bunch of yarns.

Rogues are the best dps over time on this server, with the exception of enchanter charmed pets (which can be fairly dangerous). Whatever twat said monks out dps rogues is invited to run a parser with me any fucking time.

Get a non-proc'ing weapon combination, and you should be able to stab every time it refreshes, assuming that you evade EVERY time it refreshes.

Make a barbarian, dump into stamina. STR is easy to get to 188 (+67 from shm buff = 255 cap), and sta is the only other stat you need to worry about. Spec your gear to str 188 and then the rest to hps. Don't make some other race unless you're an RP fag (like me, who made a dwarf for nostalgia). Slam alone is worth having to look like a barbarian instead of that "leet" half elf, or whatever your gay roommate says you should play - not to mention the amazing starting stats. Dwarves are a close second or even superior with stats but do not have slam. These should really be the only races you choose from.

Pick up a gloom poon. Max damage stat in mainhand is #1 priority. Offhand is pure ratio. Don't let anyone tell you different. If you can get someone to kill phinny for you, the TotSS is a nice mainhand till you can nab an eyerazzia or even better a crystalline spear. Other than TotSS, don't ever use a proc weapon, they are not worth it. If you DO obtain the trident, watch your aggro more.

I've never used find/disarm traps. Disarm is broken. Pick locks is only currently useful for najena and befallen I think? So it's really not useful. However, you will be very thankful you skilled it up now when kunark comes out.

Poisons are working as they did during the classic era of live. That is to say they are a fun but fairly useless toy in PvE. PvP is another story, and a lot of the debuff poisons can be extremely useful. They function as a one-off weapon proc. You apply, it procs (with a chance to fail) on the very first hit, and is gone.

Don't evade using a macro, do it manually. It's faster and never fucks up. You don't need to sneak in order to evade.

Uhh.. Yeah. Rogues are not gimped at all. They are fairly "as intended" on this server, and if you enjoy the melee glass cannon playstyle, you will be well rewarded.

[Ridic]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@OP

People are spinning you a bunch of yarns.

Rogues are the best dps over time on this server, with the exception of enchanter charmed pets (which can be fairly dangerous). Whatever twat said monks out dps rogues is invited to run a parser with me any fucking time.

Get a non-proc'ing weapon combination, and you should be able to stab every time it refreshes, assuming that you evade EVERY time it refreshes.

Make a barbarian, dump into stamina. STR is easy to get to 188 (+67 from shm buff = 255 cap), and sta is the only other stat you need to worry about. Spec your gear to str 188 and then the rest to hps. Don't make some other race unless you're an RP fag (like me, who made a dwarf for nostalgia). Slam alone is worth having to look like a barbarian instead of that "leet" half elf, or whatever your gay roommate says you should play - not to mention the amazing starting stats. Dwarves are a close second or even superior with stats but do not have slam. These should really be the only races you choose from.

Pick up a gloom poon. Max damage stat in mainhand is #1 priority. Offhand is pure ratio. Don't let anyone tell you different. If you can get someone to kill phinny for you, the TotSS is a nice mainhand till you can nab an eyerazzia or even better a crystalline spear. Other than TotSS, don't ever use a proc weapon, they are not worth it. If you DO obtain the trident, watch your aggro more.

I've never used find/disarm traps. Disarm is broken. Pick locks is only currently useful for najena and befallen I think? So it's really not useful. However, you will be very thankful you skilled it up now when kunark comes out.

Poisons are working as they did during the classic era of live. That is to say they are a fun but fairly useless toy in PvE. PvP is another story, and a lot of the debuff poisons can be extremely useful. They function as a one-off weapon proc. You apply, it procs (with a chance to fail) on the very first hit, and is gone.

Don't evade using a macro, do it manually. It's faster and never fucks up. You don't need to sneak in order to evade.

Uhh.. Yeah. Rogues are not gimped at all. They are fairly "as intended" on this server, and if you enjoy the melee glass cannon playstyle, you will be well rewarded.

This is what I thought, I was pretty sure they were the best sustainted, single target dps in the game - whole reason I rolled one. I didn't dumb everything to stam tho, it was about half and half. Sitting at 199 str unbuffed tho, makes it easy in groups for me.

[azeth]

id suggest getting a PSD and your burning rapier asap. beyond that i wholly concur w/ hasbinbad

[Absentia]

My evade is a macro and I notice 0 difference in it "fucking up" or being slower.

-First off, what makes a rogue tick (why did/do/would you play one)?
We dominate DPS. If a melee out damages you over a fight, you should be upset.

-Are rogues "gimped"?
No. Rogues are amazing. We rock the house on dps. Anyone who disagrees is an idiot.

-How useful are the current rogue abilities?
None of those ever matter. Backstab + Evade and we are invited to guilds/groups.

-Does make/apply poison work as intended on P99?
I have my poison skill almost capped. Not worth wasting your money on, imo.

-Do rogues actually use their make/apply poison skills, or is it just a novelty?
Novelty.

-I understand rogues are a pretty gear dependant class (as with most melee classess) are there any essential quests or gear that I should be on the look out for?
Don't listen to all the idiots saying "roll a Barbarian!" or "roll a dwarf!" Play what race you think looks badass. You will cap strength regardless of race. The 50hp you gain for some added STA means nothing when you get hit with a 600 dmg ae constantly. Sure, it helps, but its laughable.

Do your Burning Rapier quest, do CT for Ravenscale Armor, get into a guild and do PoHate for your Woven Shadow. PoFear drops Bone Razor and Eyerazzia

-In general, what types of weapons should a rogue be using? Obviously at least a piercer in main hand, but procs or no procs? Or is that entirely situational?
Early on: Polished Steel Dirk in MH and whatever else offhand. Don't worry about weapons. Hit 46 and get Eyerazia and quest Burning Rapier earlier. Then just wait for Vox Spear/Freeti Spear and Bone Razor.


-Starting stats?
Stamina.

-Any other advice/tips/info/opinions?
Regardless of how many people talk about Rogues here, you don't need to twink it, they aren't "hard" to play(you mash backstab and hit your evade hotkey), and keep in mind you aren't a tank. If you want advice, PM me

[Hasbinbad]

-What have we learned today class?
Absentia is an RP fag.

(see, I can talk in bold too)

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

id suggest getting a PSD and your burning rapier asap. beyond that i wholly concur w/ hasbinbad

Burning rapier is a fun quest, but imho, the aggro from the proc isn't worth the small ratio upgrade from other similar offhands. Gloom Poon and PSD >.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Burning rapier is a fun quest, but imho, the aggro from the proc isn't worth the small ratio upgrade from other similar offhands. Gloom Poon and PSD >.

tbh i never went with the gloom poon, was fortunate to do the EBW quest so i used that + psd

[Ridic]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Burning rapier is a fun quest, but imho, the aggro from the proc isn't worth the small ratio upgrade from other similar offhands. Gloom Poon and PSD >.

Elemental procs have a much lower aggro modifier then magical based (Stuns, slows, debuffs etc) so you would really only pull aggro if you're grouped with a worthless warrior that doesn't use Lariats or Shards. I can't speak from experience, since I haven't used / got a BR yet, but, that's just what I would assume /shrug.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Ridic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Elemental procs have a much lower aggro modifier then magical based (Stuns, slows, debuffs etc) so you would really only pull aggro if you're grouped with a worthless warrior that doesn't use Lariats or Shards. I can't speak from experience, since I haven't used / got a BR yet, but, that's just what I would assume /shrug.

Well I come from the exact opposite end of this debate, in that I dunno anything about the mechanics, and only know about this stuff from actually doing it.. I noticed that with the BRapier in offhand, I would generally generate more aggro than with a gold plated koshigatana (vs a non-summoned mob). Also, the trident (elemental as well?) generates more aggro than crystalline spear by FAR.

Sooooo, I only know anecdotal things, but it seemed fairly cut and dry to me.