Spells: Charm much less reliable after patch.

[Rayzor84]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charm if its nerfed is a step in the right direction

NPC aggro range/assist too low in a lot of cases imo... going on feel here

PC channeling working too well when being hit too

I think live is a good comparison for this stuff

Running out of things to say aren't classic cuz of Haynar, this is quite a forum lifestyle change

None of that is really my point though.

My point is the notes say charm was buffed based on charisma, and the consensus from both chanter and necro friends and guildies is that it was actually nerfed. Therefore I'm asking that it be looked into as a possible unintentional nerf and have it fixed.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Rayzor84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of that is really my point though.

My point is the notes say charm was buffed based on charisma, and the consensus from both chanter and necro friends and guildies is that it was actually nerfed. Therefore I'm asking that it be looked into as a possible unintentional nerf and have it fixed.

Please point to say where it said that in the patch notes; I think you may be mistaken

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Rayzor84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point is the notes say charm was buffed based on charisma, and the consensus from both chanter and necro friends and guildies is that it was actually nerfed. Therefore I'm asking that it be looked into as a possible unintentional nerf and have it fixed.

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please point to say where it said that in the patch notes; I think you may be mistaken

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[*]Haynar: Adjusted charisma check for charm, based on new 255 resist caps. Charm should be more dependable now.

i'm pretty sure that by saying charm should be more dependable they did not mean they were nerfing it...

[Rayzor84]

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please point to say where it said that in the patch notes; I think you may be mistaken

Haynar: Adjusted charisma check for charm, based on new 255 resist caps. Charm should be more dependable now.

Meaning less charm breaks for high charisma, am I right? But at 245 charisma the exact opposite is happening. The same mobs I charmed before the patch without much issue are now breaking way too often. And like I said it isn't just me.

[Nirgon]

Root/charm break more on ticks

This is a good thing

I almost never saw someone charm something that wasn't green on live

Definitely no one running around brutalizing sebilis with a charmed krup knight

I can also sunstrike down a mob in seb with my wizard here without it ever breaking

This was basically impossible on live

I main a caster, this hurts me but my agenda isn't to benefit myself

[Rayzor84]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Root/charm break more on ticks

I'm not sure what u don't understand about supposed to be "more dependable" but I'm going to assume u are just a touch special.

[Nirgon]

More dependable on less resistant mobs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] (aka shit that isn't dark blue to you)

The change that is made right now is a huge step in the right direction

Root/charm were way too powerful here for way too long

Most NPCs (guards in towns!), especially planar trash need to be more resistant

Juggers in seb are about right

[Rayzor84]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More dependable on less resistant mobs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] (aka shit that isn't dark blue to you)

The change that is made right now is a huge step in the right direction

Root/charm were way too powerful here for way too long

Most NPCs (guards in towns!), especially planar trash need to be more resistant

Juggers in seb are about right

Once again, nothing was ever said about resistance, con, or anything else, just CHARISMA and MORE DEPENDABLE.

[Nirgon]

So you want it reverted back to how it was before this patch?

Some people like getting Haynar'd, others don't. Guess I'm a classic EQ masochist sicko.

[kanaar]

I have been charming a lot since patch, not trivial mobs, hs south and east mostly.
I would say it works better overall. Perhaps the level difference has less difference indeed, I felt that pets 50+ were holding better, while trivial ones were less stable.

It is very hard to get reliable conclusions with something based on random number generators, especially when you are biased by patch notes saying "it will be better".
When you expect something has changed for better, you are always disappointed when its not so good, and even often feel its worse than before.

In classic live, enchanters were rare, relatively unskilled compared to today, and groups were afraid of the charm breaks horror stories. So yeah, charm looked unreliable, because people didn't know well how to use it and deal with breaks.

Now on P99, every enchanter has years of experience, or guides to learn, groups know what to do, etc. So charm looks more trustworthy.