If you still don't realize what has been lost in this "Alliance"

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I stand with Gardur. The thing no one is talking about is <Good Guys> is not meant to be permanent. The guild plans on branching back into its original guilds once <Empire> is crushed. Karsten plans on running <Refresh> to take in and bring up younger players to the server. That needs to happen ASAP, btw.

The server owes Max a debt of gratitude no matter what. The good he's done far outweighs his past and his personal idiosyncrasies.

Everyone that is geared will not go back to the original guild they were from. They will go to the strongest guild that branches off and the other guilds will all go away.

[dontbanpls]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I stand with Gardur. The thing no one is talking about is <Good Guys> is not meant to be permanent. The guild plans on branching back into its original guilds once <Empire> is crushed. Karsten plans on running <Refresh> to take in and bring up younger players to the server. That needs to happen ASAP, btw.

The server owes Max a debt of gratitude no matter what. The good he's done far outweighs his past and his personal idiosyncrasies.

This is a terrible plan for the server.

[Glenzig]

Fresh was great for Red. Still confused as to why you shut it down. I've heard you state the reason a couple times, but it still doesn't make sense. If Fresh was that precious to you, you could have kept it going as exactly what it was. Your guild, your decision. I get that part, but if you were willing to pull the plug, learn to live with that decision. Making these posts is just making everyone forget all the great stuff you did in Fresh. Dont make them forget. Make them remember.

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fresh was great for Red. Still confused as to why you shut it down. I've heard you state the reason a couple times, but it still doesn't make sense. If Fresh was that precious to you, you could have kept it going as exactly what it was. Your guild, your decision. I get that part, but if you were willing to pull the plug, learn to live with that decision. Making these posts is just making everyone forget all the great stuff you did in Fresh. Dont make them forget. Make them remember.

a majority of his officers made a decision to disband the guild and merge into a new guild, so he disbanded it anyway because he wanted nothing to do with it; he made the guild specifically so people had an alternative to azrael and empire/holocaust, yet his officers did a complete 180 on him and merged the guild into azrael

what's hard to understand about that

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a majority of his officers made a decision to disband the guild and merge into a new guild, so he disbanded it anyway because he wanted nothing to do with it; he made the guild specifically so people had an alternative to azrael and empire/holocaust, yet his officers did a complete 180 on him and merged the guild into azrael

what's hard to understand about that

Hard to understand why he would disband the guild if he says they were split. That's what he has said. So if he was left with half the people he still would have had a decent sized guild. If the alliance doesn't work, he would still have been up and running in some fashion for people to drag their corpses back to him, whether or not he wanted them is a different story. He and Karsten built the guild from scratch once, no reason they couldn't recover from a split. Population is growing and people would still have joined Fresh regularly. That's what I find hard to understand. If he wanted a guild he could still have one. I really liked Fresh, and the Max that ran Fresh was good for the server.

[Voland]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hard to understand why he would disband the guild if he says they were split. That's what he has said. So if he was left with half the people he still would have had a decent sized guild.

This is an excellent point!
If Fresh wasn't disbanded, chances are that a lot of people would choose to stay in it, despite the merger.

[dontbanpls]

Originally Posted by Voland [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is an excellent point!
If Fresh wasn't disbanded, chances are that a lot of people would choose to stay in it, despite the merger.

We faced a situation where all of the friends we had made where going to join a guild that was going to kill us. There was no way for fresh to continue to work with the alliance guild after it sniped members and officers from the guild. Those of us who didn't want to merge where going to be left in a position where the alliance guild and empire where both extremely hostile towards us. I wasn't going to be doing anyone any favors continuing on with the guild after the massive amount of desertion it was facing. I didn't want to see <Fresh> in a position where it had to defend itself from the people who I felt had become core members of the guild, on both sides.

[Eslade]

Nerd

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[Saludeen]

Then why didn't you just keep your guild.