Trump was right

[Millburn]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is in Europe. Sweden (as an example) had one of the lowest crime rates in Europe til a lot of immigration from Africa and the Middle East. Now it's the rape capital of Europe.

Not saying immigration is bad, but it comes with certain other social/cultural problems that the west is very bad at dealing with at a government level.

Please don't muddy the waters about what the original post is about which is illegal immigrants in the united states leading to increased rape and crime. If you're going to bring up a side point, especially one that deviates from the U.S. please provide sources to read through because Bigtokes will just use your statement as a springboard to rant.

Edit: To address what you said though Swish, there is a particular metric called ethnic homogeneity that is on average higher in Europe than any other place in the world (save for Australia and specific Asian countries). The problem with immigration in an ethnically homogeneous country is that assimilation is necessary or else tension rises. The U.S. is not an ethnically homogeneous nation and is largely the "neutral" control group for ethnic homogeneity across the globe. This is why there is a drastic difference between the U.S. and Europe when it comes to immigration.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rse-countries/

[dafier]

Originally Posted by Millburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please don't muddy the waters about what the original post is about which is illegal immigrants in the united states leading to increased rape and crime. If you're going to bring up a side point, especially one that deviates from the U.S. please provide sources to read through because Bigtokes will just use your statement as a springboard to rant.

Edit: To address what you said though Swish, there is a particular metric called ethnic homogeneity that is on average higher in Europe than any other place in the world (save for Australia and specific Asian countries). The problem with immigration in an ethnically homogeneous country is that assimilation is necessary or else tension rises. The U.S. is not an ethnically homogeneous nation and is largely the "neutral" control group for ethnic homogeneity across the globe. This is why there is a drastic difference between the U.S. and Europe when it comes to immigration.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rse-countries/

You have 'interesting' opinions backed with a lot of bias references. Cheers.

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[Millburn]

Originally Posted by dafier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have 'interesting' opinions backed with a lot of bias references. Cheers.

To each their own. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pras

[Bigtokes]

I do not think anyone has a problem with LEGAL immigration...although there are many instances with legal ones overstaying their visas.

The problem here is with ILLEGAL immigration. If you have no problem with that, then there is a problem with your way of thinking. If I were a legal immigrant here, I would be pretty pissed at the illegals coming over here. so when they say Trump lost the latino vote, that is not entirely true.

Trump speaks many truths, the problem is people hate the truth. They want to hear that everything is fine. They want to hear that the economy is doing great, there is no problem with ISIS, there are no issues with black mob violence and there is no such think as illegal immigration. These people mostly are oblivious to the harsh reality because they are stuck living in their $500k+ homes in a 99% white suburb.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Bigtokes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not think anyone has a problem with LEGAL immigration...although there are many instances with legal ones overstaying their visas.

The problem here is with ILLEGAL immigration. If you have no problem with that, then there is a problem with your way of thinking. If I were a legal immigrant here, I would be pretty pissed at the illegals coming over here. so when they say Trump lost the latino vote, that is not entirely true.

Trump speaks many truths, the problem is people hate the truth. They want to hear that everything is fine. They want to hear that the economy is doing great, there is no problem with ISIS, there are no issues with black mob violence and there is no such think as illegal immigration. These people mostly are oblivious to the harsh reality because they are stuck living in their $500k+ homes in a 99% white suburb.

giving this troll a 3/10

[Millburn]

Originally Posted by Bigtokes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not think anyone has a problem with LEGAL immigration...although there are many instances with legal ones overstaying their visas.

The problem here is with ILLEGAL immigration. If you have no problem with that, then there is a problem with your way of thinking. If I were a legal immigrant here, I would be pretty pissed at the illegals coming over here. so when they say Trump lost the latino vote, that is not entirely true.

Trump speaks many truths, the problem is people hate the truth. They want to hear that everything is fine. They want to hear that the economy is doing great, there is no problem with ISIS, there are no issues with black mob violence and there is no such think as illegal immigration. These people mostly are oblivious to the harsh reality because they are stuck living in their $500k+ homes in a 99% white suburb.

So the conversation is now that Trump "speaks many truths" and is no longer "Trump was right" correct? Because we need to address that he was in fact, not correct.

[Millburn]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

giving this troll a 3/10

But it's still a fun debate lol.

[Naxy]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is in Europe. Sweden (as an example) had one of the lowest crime rates in Europe til a lot of immigration from Africa and the Middle East. Now it's the rape capital of Europe.

Not saying immigration is bad, but it comes with certain other social/cultural problems that the west is very bad at dealing with at a government level.

Comparing Swedish levels of rape crime to other countries is not comparing apples to apples.

A frequently cited source when comparing Swedish rape statistics internationally is the regularly published report by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), based on official statistics provided by each member state.[note 1] In 2012, Sweden had 66 cases of reported rapes per 100,000 population, according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå).[227] This was unequivocally the biggest number reported to the UNODC in 2012.[228] However, widely differing legal systems, offence definitions, terminological variations, recording practices and statistical conventions makes any cross-national comparison on rape statistics difficult,[229][230][231][232] which is why the UNODC itself caution against using their figures.[228] It should also be noted that many countries do not report any rape statistics at all to the UNODC,[233] and some report very low numbers, despite studies that indicate otherwise.[234][235]

And

The Swedish police record each instance of sexual violence in every case separately, leading to an inflated number of cases compared to other countries.[229][232][236] Sweden also has a comparatively wide definition of rape.[229][230][231] This means that more sexual crimes are registered as rape than in most other countries.[230] For example, in 2005 Sweden reformed its sex crime legislation and made the legal definition of rape much wider,[229][237][238][239] which led to a marked increase in reports.[240][241] Additionally, the Swedish police have improved the handling of rape cases, in an effort to decrease the number of unreported cases.[229][241][242][243] For this reason, large-scale victimisation surveys have been presented by criminologists as a more reliable indicator of rape prevalence.[229][230][231] An EU-wide survey on sexual violence against women, published the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) in 2014, placed Sweden below Denmark and Finland,[244] and a previous assessment by Brå have placed Sweden at an average level among European nations.[230]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

[Bigtokes]

Originally Posted by Millburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the conversation is now that Trump "speaks many truths" and is no longer "Trump was right" correct? Because we need to address that he was in fact, not correct.

He is right about the illegal immigration, but also speaks many other truths.

[Millburn]

Originally Posted by Bigtokes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He is right about the illegal immigration, but also speaks many other truths.

Nah