Why should people roll on red? ATN: Swish

[Tuljin]

I've been nothing but nice on Blue and I've been nothing but fucked by the sociopaths that play there. Now I'm not so nice anymore. Its sad really.

On Blue all you gotta do is be a "yes man" to the hegemony (aka kissing ass, fellating, however you wanna say it) and say funny things in Vent and you'll get real far. You don't even have to be good at the game.

Not only do you not have to be good at the game, you don't have to improve or step up your game. The server is full of assholes who can't play their way out of a 3-mob encounter and the class stigma exists because people wipe in KC regularly and won't even consider starting a group with a rez and an AOE mez. The attitude of the server over time has gone to complete and total shit. Even the "top raid guilds" are full of fucking terrible players.

Couple that with an incredibly stupid FRAPS and Lawyerquest culture, you have yourself a shitshow, friends.

Now, if you're terrible at EQ and unwilling to learn how to PvP, something tells me you won't last very long. Having the shit Blue attitude everyone has won't get you far at all, which is perhaps a major reason why the population has remained low.

I say launch new servers soon before 5 years of Velious and see who's suddenly willing to leave their precious pixels behind. Those who want to stay on a 6 year old inflated economy box just so they don't have to leave their (unused and unnecessary) Velious pixels behind can fucking stay. The server has gone so downhill its sad really.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not everyone should. It depends on what you are looking for ^^ I just rolled a character there out of curiosity stemming from all the advertising. I have not been much of amp per in my gaming career, so I am sure others will have different reasons to share, but these are my reasons for continuing to play there:

1. Classic Gameplay. Someone is bound to point out red has non-classic experience bonus in response to this point and that is true. However, gameplay itself is much closer to classic as a result of far less twinkling stemming from a less saturated economy and tremendous number of new players. You don't see individuals monopolizing entire xp camps like you do on blue. Classic items still have value. While some higher end items are still available like on blue they are less common and therefore more difficult to acquire. As a result the majority of people are in general less geared and able to make use of items that drop for them as they level.

2. Tighter community. Sure we have some colorful forum personalities and the server definitely has a few villains, but there are also heroes and most players in general are good decent people just like blue. The threat (small as it may be) presented by villains encourages people to band together. The XP bonus also disincentivizes all forms of class/gear/etc discrimination in XP groups. Most people on red

3. Decency. The inability of the community to enforce law and order on blue leads to the death of common sense/courtesy with the creation of more and more laws through which players begin to view the world. The mindset becomes "if there isn't a rule against it, it must be ok." The a look to staff is then inundated with dispute resolution requests. There are numerous threads applauding people on blue for doing the right thing, because rule lawyering has become the norm making such acts uncommon.

4. Time. I don't not have as much time to devote to digital worlds as I once did. Despite that, I'd cherished EQ's pace. For me it's not about the pace of progression, it's about the pace of gameplay. On red, the pace is slower (more classic) due to less twinks. It is more relaxed even when pushing things. However the bonus XP means progression is faster. In the end, you are able to experience more of the classic world in a classic context with less time invested. I suppose this is really only a benefit if you are very casual and/or older ^^

maskedmelon spreading the good word - excellent post <3

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[Sillyturtle]

Ah Swish, there you are.


How you doin sugar?

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[Colgate]

would you rather wait in a literal 100+ man line for something like camping holgresh elder beads, or would you rather show up and fight the people there for it?

[TheBiznessTZ]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

would you rather wait in a literal 100+ man line for something like camping holgresh elder beads, or would you rather show up and fight the people there for it?

Pras this.!the boy king speeks logic!

[Vallanor]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

would you rather wait in a literal 100+ man line for something like camping holgresh elder beads, or would you rather show up and fight the people there for it?

Isn't this scenario just as likely to go the other way? I.e. you're camping holgreshes and someone comes up from behind and ganks you while you're low health and takes the camp? You only ever hear how PvP makes it easier for you to get camps in these pro-Red posts, never how it's harder to keep them once you get them.

Plus, as laughably ridiculous as that holgresh list was and as right as you were to laugh at it, the list has been gone for weeks. You need a new example of why blue sucks because holgresh camp isn't one of them.

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by Vallanor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You only ever hear how PvP makes it easier for you to get camps in these pro-Red posts, never how it's harder to keep them once you get them.

it's because the people who say shit like this are the people who already have geared mains & alts with friends to help and can actually contest the camp

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Vallanor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't this scenario just as likely to go the other way? I.e. you're camping holgreshes and someone comes up from behind and ganks you while you're low health and takes the camp? You only ever hear how PvP makes it easier for you to get camps in these pro-Red posts, never how it's harder to keep them once you get them.

Plus, as laughably ridiculous as that holgresh list was and as right as you were to laugh at it, the list has been gone for weeks. You need a new example of why blue sucks because holgresh camp isn't one of them.

That's what friends are for ^^ It is also the reason why the less chaotic communities with the greater pvp community are tighter knit, because it matters. Aside from the ability to contest camps, simply camping something is a deterrent to KS'ing because of the threat of pvp. Ultimately it is about the freedom to forge your own path. You could even enforce a list like blue (if that is what you thought best) if you enlisted enough followers. PVP offers players power. What they do with it is up to them, but always there is strength in numbers.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Vallanor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't this scenario just as likely to go the other way? I.e. you're camping holgreshes and someone comes up from behind and ganks you while you're low health and takes the camp? You only ever hear how PvP makes it easier for you to get camps in these pro-Red posts, never how it's harder to keep them once you get them.

Plus, as laughably ridiculous as that holgresh list was and as right as you were to laugh at it, the list has been gone for weeks. You need a new example of why blue sucks because holgresh camp isn't one of them.

Not only that, but if red had the same pop as blue, imagine the chaos that would be the holgresh camp.

I doubt anyone would ever get their beads, unless they took a raid force to camp it. Hilarious!

People would go to blue so they had more of a chance to actually get their beads [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically, things are easier to get on red because no one plays there, not because of the pvp strawman argument that's reitterated ad nauseum.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not only that, but if red had the same pop as blue, imagine the chaos that would be the holgresh camp.

I doubt anyone would ever get their beads, unless they took a raid force to camp it. Hilarious!

People would go to blue so they had more of a chance to actually get their beads [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically, things are easier to get on red because no one plays there, not because of the pvp strawman argument that's reitterated ad nauseum.

300 nightly, not many other non-boxing servers can boast that. In fact I think I'd say Red 99 is #2 in all of EQ emu land for server size for actual players playing.

...and if people are pvp'ing hardcore for a camp then that's a good thing, because you know, it's a pvp server.